Two Towers?

I did not see any white strips on MF during costrucation

MF had grey stripes :) Now there whiter wider and rustier.
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One Question will they let me in the back of the soak city parking lot. do they let any of you guys how take pic. Can someone anwser this? And one other thig how can I scan my pics. on the internet I'm going to take pics. on a couple of rollercoasters.

Carsten: AS long as the park is open the parking lot is a free for all. You have to get back there to get to breakers and Lighthouse point, no one can stop you. As far as what the limitations are during the offseason, I have no idea. But you granted full access to that entire lot untill sunday night when the park closes.

And if its unclear to some people about the "stripes" on the track, those are where there wheels will run along the track, which inturn helps us figure out where this track will go on the ride. For example, when at the park last Saturday, I counted 7 pieces of track that the "stripes" are on the "cresting" side of the track, meaning they will be going over some sort of hill. Now someone correct me if im wrong, but I looked at a picture of Xcelerator and I counted 4 pieces (inbetween the twists) of "cresting" track that formed the tophat. We have 7. The width of our structure is a little more than theirs but not 3 pieces of track worth. Just my observation though.

Hey, CPBound, I don't know about anyone else, but all you seem, keyword seem, to do on this board is criticize people's ideas. Congratulations, you think it's a L-TH-B. You think it's going to launch us, twist us, top hat, then breaks. Since their is no other possible layout or ideas for a L-TH-B then just be quite. Why is it that you have to "involve", i use that word lightly, yourself in other people's discussions. How the heck can we be in denial? If CP came out and told us it would be a L-TH-B and we kept talking about it not being, then yeah, we would be in denial. But right now all you can do is act like a little kid and say I'm right you're wrong and be stubborn and not look at any other possibilities because you don't think there are any. Open your mind for crying out loud. We all admit that it looks like a L-TH-B from the current layout. Why can't you understand that your opinion is not the only opinion on this board. Let others speak and unless you have something constructive to say then shut it.
*** This post was edited by Andy 10/24/2002 1:03:53 PM ***

Denial in this case is see every aspect of evidence and trying to make something out of it that it isn't. You people are denying the facts, so what would you call it? I don't think...it's been the same info for 6 months now from the people "in the know".

It's not a good idea for a newbie to attack a person that has been here for over 3 years and knows what they are talking about...

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cp bound, why do people even post on this board anymore then? it just seems really weird to me that cp has not put up any info on this ride at all. its like they are trying to hide what it is. but with the web cam and the pictures taken it seems pretty obvious what it is going to be...l-th-b. and that is what cp wants everyone to think!

just keep an open mind. i think that a l-th-b of this speed and height would be one of the best rides yet. but, i still think cp has more plans for this thing!

CP_bound said:

It's not a good idea for a newbie to attack a person that has been here for over 3 years and knows what they are talking about...

...Denial is an ugly thing.

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Just because a person has posted on a message board for 3 years does not mean they know what they are talking about....

Which is why I said "and knows what they are talking about..."

You guys are hoping for something that just isn't going to happen. They even have a whole line of brakes set up and you still don't get it. I'm not making assumptions on just what I've seen either, talking to people outside of these forums helps too.

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*** This post was edited by CP_bound 10/24/2002 3:33:11 PM ***

That last pic of the track in the parking lot really shows that some people are wrong in this forum. That is obviously going to be either part of a negative g element. Now, that means that whoever says it's going to be an inverted tophat and nothing else is wrong. There will at least be a tophat like Xcelerator's, however a few of the pictures don't exactly support that. Now, if there is an inverted tophat, then there HAS to be some other element.

That track pic that I think you're talking about is kind of weird if this is just L-TH-B. Originally when I saw that, I checked out Xcelerator's pics on twisted rails and rcdb, and checked out the angle of the track leading into the top hat, and since it had some amount of curvature to it, I just assumed that's what these pieces were for (also reinforced that I found a pic of the top hat pieces in the parking lot of Knotts on twisted rails - and it looks almost exactly like the one in CPs lot - the radius doesn't appear to be any different between the two).

But, now that I look at that piece again, the curvature is too great to be an exact copy of Xcelerator's top hat. Either this baby is going to go vertical for a long time, then come into the top hat at a pretty quick rate (which I don't think would be too good for those airtime folks out therer) or that's for a bunny hill or something of that sort (definitely not L-TH-B).

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I consider denial to be not looking at the facts. I already told you that from what we have it looks like an L-TH-B. You don't know what this thing is going to be. You are speculating just as well as we are. You can't tell me there aren't facts that point towards a non L-TH-B. You just don't want to look at them.

As far as a newbie attacking someone who has been around for 3 years. When that someone has their head shoved so far up their (fill in the blank) then I think that it is more than appropriate to attack. I don't care how long you have been here. You are just as much in denial as we are. Both sides have their reasons to believe and just because we don't agree with you then we're in denial? I think not. That would put you just as much in denial as we are. Get off that ivory tower and mingle with the rest of the people. Pull your head out, open your mind, and don't criticize me because I think it's not an L-TH-B. I sure as heck don't sit here and criticize your idea on the coaster. I agree that it looks like an L-TH-B and that their is evidence to prove it. I also agree that there is evidence that shows otherwise.

Stop acting like you're better than others based on the fact that you've been around more than others. Seniority often leads to immaturity and lack of an open mind. Suck it up ninny.

You said: "Suck it up ninny"

Who's being immature? I'm not trying to act like I'm better than anyone, I just have more knowledge about the ride than some...from talking to people here and other places.

I'd like to see the facts that support a non L:TH:T:B ride...how about you point them out to me.

There is inclined track set towards the tower that will be for a launch. There will be supports all the way up the tower indicated by the apex piece haveing a place for what can only be with that huge funky-looking support piece. There will be some twistage on the tower as indicated by the arm extension on the down-side of the tower. Then, the pull-out track is connected with the brack track. What part of this doesn't support a L:TH:T:B?

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*** This post was edited by CP_bound 10/24/2002 5:54:29 PM ***

I like the Ivory Tower. I like it so much, I work there, though our friends at MSU and other locales may choose to disagree on the quality of this particular tower.

Most "evidence" for something beyond L-TH-B is what I would call circumstantial evidence---construction started early, web cams are placed strangely, CP wouldn't do that to "us", etc. etc.

Most evidence in favor of L-TH-B is what I would call direct evidence---footer placement, brake track placement, etc.

Most interpretations of the direct evidence in support of more than L-TH-B fail Ockham's razor--they involve more complicated, and hence less likely, ways of realizing a layout with additional elements. For example, the hypothesis that the installed magnetic brake track will serve as trim requires a more complicated scenario than the hypothesis that the magnetic brake track ends the ride.

Call me crazy (or closed-minded, if you prefer) but I find the simple explanation of the direct evidence vastly more compelling. As with others, I suspect that some people who see this as something more than L-TH-B do so in part because that's what they want to see. Heck, that's what I want to see, too! But, I just don't see it.

Finally, it is never "more than appropriate to attack", no matter which sections of whose anatomy are inserted where. And on the subject of maturity, ad hominem attacks do not demonstrate it.

Thank you Brian for going about this in the right way. I agree with everything that you just said and I apologize for attacking CPBound. It gets very frustrating day in and day out listening to people simply saying "It's L-TH-B" as well I'm sure it get's frustrating or even annoying for those who feel that it is a L-TH-B when we keep talking about it not being that. Should I have verbally attacked, no, and I apologize for that. I am in the wrong there and I can admit that. Once again, Brian, thank you for doing this the right way. Again CPBound, I apologize to you as well but I still think you are wrong. I respect your opinion I just ask that you respect others'.

No mater how much I hate to admit it, but I too am begining to think that this could be a L-TH-B ride. While I'd like to believe that obvious braking section is to slow the train down before another element, it just doesn't seem likely. The lack of materials on site along with the fact there is no preparation going on to show they are making another element is primairly what has convinced me on this.

There is also the fact that WT was a fairly cheap coaster (at least when compared to the cost of MF) and that perhaps instead of getting on huge coaster in one year, they are getting 2 coasters over 2 years for the cost of one huge one. Even at 420+ feet, if the ride is that short, I don't believe it's cost plus the cost of WT would be more than $25 million.

Of course on the flip side you have the fact that construction is starting fairly early, and that if this is a one trick pony, that one trick is about halfway finished already. There is also that whole work being done on the island thing that is leaving some people confused. I also don't think it is CP's style to put in 2 extremely short (time wise) coasters, but they are desperate to keep that covenant "Most Coasters" title, especially with SFMM nipping at their heals. Even with two short coasters, you have to love that CP still went the biggest and fastest anywhere route rather than just plopping in a few "been there, done that" coasters.

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Ralph Wiggum said:
No mater how much I hate to admit it, but I too am begining to think that this could be a L-TH-B ride. While I'd like to believe that obvious braking section is to slow the train down before another element, it just doesn't seem likely.

Do you know where a picture of this can be at?

Just curious as I havn't seen it yet :)

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Thanks Andy.

I think the main reasons for having construction this early is so that there is free advertsing from people in the park, and they probably don't want to be working in th extreme elements of winter.

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...Denial is an ugly thing.

From what I've seen I'm guessing L-TH-B but I've got my fingers crossed that it will be something much more.

My question is whether anyone has seen footers for the turnaround after the two straightaways. If not, any theories on why they aren't in yet? Perhaps they're not there so they can get the cranes out?

By the way, I want to see pictures of those brakes close up!

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Waiting to see.........

i just dont understand why cp hasnt made one single announcement about this ride. they havent said one word. even when the mf was built there was a huge sign the season before telling exactly what it was and all the records it was going to brake, even before they started building it.

so it just doesnt make sense to me.

can someone explain to me what they think cp is trying to accomplish by holding back on the info.