Track at construction site!!!

YEa thats true, but a 200+ coaster is usually great...

But there are plenty of coasters under 200 feet that are great too. Height never defines greatness of a coaster be it at CP or anywhere else.

Ralph Wiggum said:
Villian at Geauga Lake also has a double up. I know it's a somewhat common feature on wooden coasters, but has it ever been used on a steel coaster? I can't think of any steel coaster that has one.

Only steel coaster I know of off the top of my head that has a double up is Steel Force at Dorney Park, it's right after the bunny hills and before the brake run and is used so that the track can get up to station level and also not hit the lift hill. Actually, the train doesn't really loose much speed there and it provides some MASSIVE airtime where EVERYONE, regardless of their weight is thrown out of their seats.

Here's a picture of the double up: http://www.coasterimage.com/pictures/dorneypark/steelforce01.htm

DorneyParkFan said:

Ralph Wiggum said:
Villian at Geauga Lake also has a double up. I know it's a somewhat common feature on wooden coasters, but has it ever been used on a steel coaster? I can't think of any steel coaster that has one.

Only steel coaster I know of off the top of my head that has a double up is Steel Force at Dorney Park, it's right after the bunny hills and before the brake run and is used so that the track can get up to station level and also not hit the lift hill. Actually, the train doesn't really loose much speed there and it provides some MASSIVE airtime where EVERYONE, regardless of their weight is thrown out of their seats.

Here's a picture of the double up: http://www.coasterimage.com/pictures/dorneypark/steelforce01.htm

That's a good example. Looks a bit like fun...

Little Leslie said:

DorneyParkFan said:

Ralph Wiggum said:
Villian at Geauga Lake also has a double up. I know it's a somewhat common feature on wooden coasters, but has it ever been used on a steel coaster? I can't think of any steel coaster that has one.

Only steel coaster I know of off the top of my head that has a double up is Steel Force at Dorney Park, it's right after the bunny hills and before the brake run and is used so that the track can get up to station level and also not hit the lift hill. Actually, the train doesn't really loose much speed there and it provides some MASSIVE airtime where EVERYONE, regardless of their weight is thrown out of their seats.

Here's a picture of the double up: http://www.coasterimage.com/pictures/dorneypark/steelforce01.htm

That's a good example. Looks a bit like fun...

It's more than a bit of fun, it greatly adds to Steel Force and is one of the many reasons why it's in my top 5 favorite coasters as of now. It's got some serious competition from Magnum though, I need to compare the two once I get out to Cedar Point. I want to see which coaster gives more airtime: Steel Force or Magnum, so far Steel Force is winning, I get air on every hill, let's see if Magnum can offer the same ;).

Josh M. said:

Rebel Brad said:
Um, this is Cedar Point. If you aren't into height, speed, or record breaking coasters in general then you need to go find the local carnival because this is what Cedar Point is all about.

I must say I disagree with this. Cedar Point started in 1870. At that time it was a bathing beach. Even when the midways were being constructed the focus of the park was not to break records, but rather to make thrill rides for the whole family. While some coasters "pre-Magnum" did break height and speed records (Gemini), the majority of them contained unique elements, or used a different ride design (Avalanche Run, Jumbo Jet, Iron Dragon, Corkscrew, CCMR), while others were modeled after traditional ride layouts (Switchback Railway, The Racer, Blue Streak). These elements created an exciting ride without breaking records

When Magnum was built in 1989 it was the first cannon shot in the "Coaster Wars" where parks battled each other for the "tallest", "fastest", "longest", etc... Any of the larger parks, sans Disney, were engaged in this battle. SFMM and CP battled for most coasters, while CP and many other parks battled for tallest and fastest, as Magnum was beaten by many clone coasters, just as Dragster was. And we all know what happened with Steel Dragon 2000.

As has been discussed previously, the Coaster Wars are all but over. The trend in coasters is now going towards rides that are still technologically advanced with unique elements, but are focused on a fun layout, rather than a record breaking one. It seems to me that outside of the 90's and the past few years, this has been CP's consistent focus for rides.

I have a firm belief that P2007 will be an incredibly fun ride, with elements and technologies we perhaps have never seen before, but it's golden statistic will not be the height of it or the speed of it, or even the length of it.

So Rebel Brad, I suppose if you only began looking at CP in 1989, I can understand your view, but if you look at the entire history of the park, I think it is clear that Cedar Point has much more in mind than size, speed and height...

Maybe it's true... Size doesn't always matter...

*** Edited 8/2/2006 6:12:07 PM UTC by Josh M.***

What about Gemini? It beat out the racing coaster at SFMM by mere inches. I would have to say that Magnum was the one that fired the shot, but Gemini loaded the cannon.

DorneyParkFan said:

where EVERYONE, regardless of their weight is thrown out of their seats.

weight has nothing to do with the g force an object is subjected to. Everyone feels the same acceleration when subjected to the same change of direction at the same speed. If the g is 0.02 at the top of that hill, everyone on the train will feel like they weigh 2% of they're weight. Same principal where if I dropped a bowling ball and a feather at the same time from the same height (provided it was in a vacuum where air resistance is not a factor) they would both hit the ground at the same time and same speed. All objects on earth fall at a rate of 9.8 m/s. All objects on that train regardless of weight have the same potential energy.

Formaly known as: Gemini and colossus were built in the same year. And It is highly doubtful that either of them knew the other one was building somthing. The industry at that time was very different than it was in the late 80's through today.

DorneyParkFan said:

Only steel coaster I know of off the top of my head that has a double up is Steel Force at Dorney Park, it's right after the bunny hills and before the brake run and is used so that the track can get up to station level and also not hit the lift hill. Actually, the train doesn't really loose much speed there and it provides some MASSIVE airtime where EVERYONE, regardless of their weight is thrown out of their seats.

I forgot about that one. Odd, cause I was just on it last week. What an amazing ride. Except for that rough patch on the second drop it's as smooth or smoother than Magnum. Plus that huge helix makes for a much better turn-around than Maggie's pretzel knot. IMO.

Ok, what's with all the quoting guys? Do we really need to quote an entire post? Can we please edit them down where they still get the point accross without having to reread pages worth of material?

DorneyParkFan said:
Only steel coaster I know of off the top of my head that has a double up is Steel Force at Dorney Park, it's right after the bunny hills and before the brake run and is used so that the track can get up to station level and also not hit the lift hill.

I doubt they put it in so they could get the train back to station level. They could have very easily built a regular hill that leveled off where they wanted it to.

Ensign Smith said:
I forgot about that one. Odd, cause I was just on it last week. What an amazing ride. Except for that rough patch on the second drop it's as smooth or smoother than Magnum. Plus that huge helix makes for a much better turn-around than Maggie's pretzel knot. IMO.

Which day were you at the park, I was there last thursday, july 27th, was a great day except for the heat and humidity and then the hour and a half of showers and lightning which led to me not getting 2 rides on Steel Force because the ride closed as soon as I got into the train :(. Meh, I still got 19 coaster rides in in about 6 hours of actual ride time, which isn't that bad and still had a great time with my friend and my cousin.

Back to Project '07, I hope that the piece seen is a double up and not a double down because double downs somewhat hurt whereas double ups give great airtime.
*** Edited 8/2/2006 7:40:34 PM UTC by DorneyParkFan***

Where's Dorney Park at?

Where, at the P2007 site, did someone see a hill that could be a double-up? Does anyone have any pictures of that?

It could be a double down, AKA a back buster to me.

http://www.themeparkreview.com/kwpr/kwpr005.jpg

Phantom's Revenge in Pittsburgh's Kennywood Park gets a little wicked at the end. It has the double dip feature to it and I could barely walk afterwards. Granted I think it was going 50+mph through that portion, hopefully it isnt as wicked. I love speed on coasters, but not when it throws you around so hard like this one!

bubbakevjr said:
Where's Dorney Park at?

Allentown, PA- Cedar Fair owns it (same owners as Cedar Point). Google is wonderful.

bubbakevjr: Dorney Park is near Allentown, PA and is a Cedar Fair park with a nice collection of coasters which prove that a nice layout makes a nice coaster and a fairly nice collection of flat rides with an old-ish park feel and still all of the new rides.

Little Leslie: The picture I'm reffering to is on pointpixels and is probably the largest piece of track on Project '07.

Heh, i really didnt feel like searching.... i should take a visit downt here sometime....

That piece of track at the construction site could also just be a regular small hill ya know...

Is it possible it could be a double down at the top of a lift hill such as this?

http://www.joyrides.com/sfgam/photos/raging_bull2.jpg