Tony/Tyler Teasing Us Again...

Thats an interesting point. As Kinzel has said, plans are typically layed out (although im sure they can change if need be at the last minute) 2-3 years ahead. That being true, Kinzel's last ride while in charge may be in 2007, but his last changes may not been seen until the 09 or 10 season.

And now we know that Magnum's station will remain the cluttered mess that it has been. Wouldnt that be easy to fix? Hmm. Thats disaappointing to me.
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Screamomatic said:
You realize wooden supports would never be able to hold up a floorless coaster right?

This may very well be a dumb question, but why wouldn't they?

It will be a Woodie. Maybe a flume. Just my guess.

I hope the new ride does't take out too

many trees

Mrscott

My guess would be that we'll see more than one attraction for '07. Some sort of flume/water coaster (to compensate for the loss of WWL), and a coaster - likely a floorless with a large number of inversions, since CP lacks in the non-invert with inversions department.

Thats not a stupid question DJ. I can not see any problems with a floorless woody.. It would seem to me making a floorless woody or wooden structure with steel track would have no adverse effects.

I think the trains would actually be lighter... and now I sort of like the idea.

And it would fit into the Frontier Land theme.

It would definatly be a new generation of coasters.

Kevinj said:
And now we know that Magnum's station will remain the cluttered mess that it has been. Wouldnt that be easy to fix? Hmm. Thats disaappointing to me.

Actually the Magnum station doesn't need to be a "cluttered mess." Simple solution: There needs to always be an attendant at the turnstile just before the station to monitor the number of guests filling the platform. That's how it was always done in years past. Allow guests to fill the queues and not the station and it will be easier to get around in once you're up there.

I took T&T's answer to mean that the station is not being overhauled this off-season. That doesn't mean that operations won't receive a face-lift (like adding a queue control person and moving ops out from behind pillars, so they can actually see what's going on.)

As DemonDroppin noted, an easy solution would have an attendent there, ala Wicked Twister, only allowing a certain amount of people in the station.

Unfortunately, that was not the case on any of my trips in 05. It was only really, really bad on hot humid days when we all just....well....stunk.

Yes, a nice solution to magnum's platform problem is to have someone at the turnstile. However, as has been noted before, this was not frequently possible last season due to staffing reasons.

EDIT: Clarification *** Edited 1/26/2006 8:42:33 PM UTC by Anonymous***

Saw someone a page or so back mention a Dive Machine...I agree it'd be really nice, but unfortunately Busch apparently has a contract with B&M to keep Sheikra the only Dive Machine in the US until 2010 or something.

Nice job perpetuating a rumor that has no basis in reality. There has been no proof of such a contract, and its highly unlikely that B&M would as it would cause them to miss out on lots of money.

MrScott said:
It will be a Woodie. Maybe a flume. Just my guess.

I hope the new ride does't take out too

many trees

Mrscott

I completly understand what you mean but looking at the pictures of WWL's opening year, that area was cleared out back in 1982. See picture below.

http://www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=2957

Basically, large rides take out a good portion of trees, but new trees can be planted, and those trees will grow and create the same atmosphere that was once there. It just takes some time.

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But there is a difference between leaving room for trees to grow (reference your link) and turning the area into a concrete jungle (reference maXair).
There are some nice "old growth" trees that have been able to grow in the WWL area over the last 23 years. What would be nice is if they are transplanted to make room for construction and then replanted in the spring.

Its a shame removing a tree isn't as easy as removing a tree on RCT. We wouldn't have to worry about tree loss so much. I'm hoping whatever Cedar Point builds back there, they use the Holiday World Approach that has made them famous. I like your idea JuggaLotus, but explain your idea of transplanting trees. How do you transplant them?

You dig a big hole around them, removing them with as much roots intact as possible (and dirt) put them in a bag and keep them watered while they are stored (possibly replant them) and then when its time to bring them back, you dig another big hole, put it in and voila. There's a little bit more to it than that, but that's the basic idea.

I used to help my step-uncle build log homes over the summers, and I got to help with this process on many properties. You would have people who wanted their house built, literally, in the middle of a highly wooded area, often on a hillside. Obviously, they want it back there b/c of the trees.

The bottom line? Money. It cost the people (and Im assuming it would CP too) a LOT of money to hire the company to come out and protect the trees, but the process is pretty simple. The bigger the trees, the more money it cost, and quite frankly, with very large, old trees its not feasible as the roots are far too big.

But Im thinking the trees around that area arent exactly that big. I cant picture it in my head right now.

Like I said, though, the bottom line would be money. I have no doubt CP considers the trees back there as valuable, but if the decision comes down to saving the trees which can be replanted (like when WWL was built) vs. putting that money towards improving something else in the park (or just saving it, considering the current "tight" budget), its hard to say what would happen.
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Not only would wood not hold up a floorless in a million years, but CP would also be spending twice, possibly three times as much money for it then they should!

You ever wonder why arrow was pretty much the only company to join wood with steel? because there idiots.

I've been around wood and steel for a looong time, and trust me, a floorless(or any B&M) wouldn't and couldn't be held up by wood... not unless you used three times as much wood as Mean Streak.

Besides how would they support the inversions? Not only would look like s**t, but it just wouldn't hold, they would have to use sooo much wide structure it wouldn't be worth the money.

Plus, lets not forget the fact that wood it three times harder to take of then steel, with wood, you have to constanly look after it, but with steel, you just set it and forget it... I'd think steel is wiser. Also, because the extra 1000 pounds or so added from the floorless trains and the steel track, the wood wouldn't last as long as it would with a wooden track coaster. Now Gemini and CCMR are diffrent because the track is so thin and light wight, something B&M can't duplicate. Do you know how heavy B&M track is? Way to heavy for wood hold up.

If CP was crazy and/or stupid enough to do it, I'll eat everybodys hat!

Take that!;)

I dont think we're talking about taking a floorless train and putting it on wooden track. There would have to be alllooottt of retrofitting done to the train to make it both lightweight and set for wooden track.

STILL, it's just a fun idea to mess around with. I don't think you have to take any of this seriously. Give us a break, after all, it IS the off-season. :) *** Edited 1/27/2006 6:16:41 AM UTC by TTD 120mph***