Stall On Tophat / May 24, 2005

Sorry about my one post, I fixed/deleted it.

I've witnessed 3 rollbacks in person and all of them involved the green train as well. There's probably no real difference in the trains, so it must just be a coincidence that the green train is always the one involved.

I would really like to stall up there. It would be great to be able to look around with more time. I have never had a rollback either, but once I was one train away.

The gold train(empty) was the first to stall up there.

The gold train has definately been the "black sheep" as far as how well they run/make it over the tower.

What is even more odd is the fact that when I was there a few weeks ago and was seated in the green train I was kidding around with the ride ops "begging" for a rollback and the girl told me the green is the fastest train and doesn't roll back very often.

Probably said that to make you shut up, as sad as that sounds. They hear it so much every day that if they can just shrug it off that way, it makes it easier for them.

Anytime I go to CP the green train is always running. Making the chances of seeing it rollback is better.

WOW! A stall? I seem to recall a lot of people stating that this isn't, or wasn't, more appropriately, possible. My arguement was that gravity doesn't care where the weight/mass is, as long as it is balanced, and constant. People were flaming me like a pig on a spit. All the speak of "frictional co-efficient, velocity=mass/acceleration, e=mc2" jargon just couldn't keep the train rolling over the tophat. All the phd's in Master Physics members of CPPlace were burning this old hillbilly up.

Now, where did I put that old fire suit?!?

lol. I like the video. For some reason, I like how when they push it over the edge, everyone applaudes and cheers. It was just neat to me that like everyone actually cared that they got it down and weren't just like, "Oh good it's down" and walked away. lol. I dunno. ;)
*** Edited 7/1/2005 6:37:28 PM UTC by Bodes***

I bet those people felt like they were special after they got off the train (lucky bas&*%$'s). Everybody cheering and clapping..... I'd be clapping just because people would finally be able to get back on.:)

I bet most of the people on the train didn't feel special. I doubt they keep up to date with how many times it has happened, they may not realize how rare it is... and I bet most of the people were scared and thankful to be down rather then feeling "special."

Ok....but if it was me up there then...well you know. :)

Actually we both don’t know anything. There could have been some people excited that they were stalled up there but then again there could have also been people that were completely the opposite.

BTW: When I said that they probably felt special I was referring to them coming down to all the applauding and cheering that was going on in the video. I mean come on, would that make you feel cool inside (don’t quote me on that) *** Edited 7/2/2005 4:27:28 AM UTC by TTD 120mph***

If you get a rollback on the red train you are VERY lucky.

I think it's possible to get any train to rollback....if you can get everybody in the train to cooperate that is. Tell everybody to put there hands up as they launch or as they're going up the incline so that it might be able to cause enough wind friction to slow the train enough for it to rollback. But since it hasn’t been proven to work, the chances of it actually working are slim. Whether or not everbodys hands could cause enough wind friction to slow a train is yet to be proven.
But hey, you never know.
And if somebody can prove me wrong then DO! That way I can try telling everybody to put their hands up next time I ride Dragster. *** Edited 7/2/2005 10:07:19 PM UTC by TTD 120mph***

Never underestimate the static friction of 24 road wheels. It's proven itself as much more than negligible. Everyones arms up as opposed to down has an effect too. It won't make a difference in where the train ends up except when the train is quite close to stopping at the point of no return.

My complete guess is the the static friction accounts for 500-1000 lbs of force. It would literally be a matter of inches that the train would have to stop at for static friction to take over. Outside of that narrow range and the train will have enough weight on one side or the other to roll down.

I thought the first train stopped at the top in April of 2003. The gold train was shipped off long before testing not to return untill late May or early June.

I have a theory. The stalls could be related to the addition of the last row. Im sure that the 2 seats,restraints, and people in the row add more weight to the train than the themed engine and spoiler. This would make it easier to balance the train thanks to the added weight in the back. This could be proved if the stalls all occured after the addition of the last row.

Doubtful.

I'm sorry to bring this topic back again, but does anyone have another link to that Tophat Stall? The site that I used to look at it on is currently down at the moment.

I put it in my fav's and it's down as well.