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He is wrong but It was a huge deal. Peoples lives were put at risk and that is never acceptable.


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No one was seriously hurt, so I'm not sure how that turns into a "huge deal".

As far as risk, you are not in a position to say whether or not "people's lives were put at risk" in this situation. Again, as far as anyone here knows, the ride may be designed to prevent a boat from capsizing. In other words, perhaps the design of the ride mitigated the risk of a derailment-rollback by ensuring no one drowned.


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Not sure how that turns into a huge deal? Here, let me explain.
A ride designed for safe entertainment and enjoyment turned into a possible death scenario. A SUPER HEAVY boat(like, maybe the size of a smart car. idk tho) falling backwards (thats why the chain dog is there. So what is the proper design for a rollback) and flips on ether its side or upside-down(Underwater) ether way putting the guest at serious risk of smashing their head on the cement flume, possible neck injury, possible back injury, and/or drowning.

Again, as far as anyone here knows, the ride may in fact not be designed to roll back, have the chain dog fail, and then be submerged.

Anyway you look at this, this should not have happened. Cedar Point is surely treating it like huge deal. The ride was closed for half of the season. If it was truly designed for something like this then the ride would have reopened.

Guest "Wait, didn't this ride flip over last week"

Ride op "Oh don't worry, its designed not too"

Im interested to see what STR fate holds in the near future.

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http://digital.olivesoftware.com/Olive/ODE/SanduskyRegister/Landing...w=ZW50aXR5

"On July 19, seven riders were injured when a Shoot the Rapids boat rolled backward down a hill and flipped over in the water."

These are not my words, and I have never seen a correction notice from the newspaper.

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The boat did not flip over and capsize, that article is wrong. The flume isn't even deep enough for a boat to capsize, from what I've heard the boat was at an angle when it rode up the side of the flume.

You can keep going around in circles with could have, should have and would have but that doesn't change the facts. No, the boat shouldn't go backwards down the lift hill but the bottom line is the riders had very minor, superficial injuries. The riders were adequately protected and saying that was luck is like saying that physics changes at random. It of course doesn't, and if a boat goes backwards down the hill again the outcome would most likely be exactly the same.

There is a lot of drama surrounding this incident, but the bottom line is everyone on the ride was fine and that is really what counts. These rides are just machines after all and sometimes the unexpected happens. I'm sure this was studied and corrected to make the ride as safe as can be.


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than in the drink with a boat on the rocks.

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Ive read a lot of articles on this mater and all are constant with 2 "Facts" (if we should call them that) 1. The boat flipped on its side and/or upside-down. 2. Eye witness helped flip the boat right side up. Is this wrong?

Ok so theres this idea out there called "the butterfly effect" The idea states that small variables can have unseen effects or can change outcomes. Now Im not a scholar, but its reasonable I see how this could happen again and have a different outcome form # of people in the boat, weigh of the guest, temperature and weather. But like I said I'm not a schooler.

Oh well, Like Pete said. We could talk in circles all day. All that matters is that everyone is ok and that the park seems to be taking all necessary steeps in fixing what happened.


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It's not an "and/or". It's a "did not".


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Ok, now these "facts" are based on "what you heard", and what the newspaper reported. Since Cedar Point elects to be mute on the subject, and the ride has been shut down ever since - the situation is bad enough to consider its status in the same light as SOB was at Kings Island.
No one likes the status SBNO, but there are two issues that have to be fixed before it reopens - the actual ride, and it's safety image.

I look forward to my rides on STR this summer! :)


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Cedar Pointer said:A 20 ton boat fell backwards

You lost me there.


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Dvo don't be so silly... he means Simpsons: The ride. =P

PS.

20 tons is about the weight of a STR boat

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Those boats are not 20 tons. That's an absurd assumption.


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I don't know, those boats are pretty heavy. I tried to lift on once and I couldn't. But like I said I'm not a Scholar.

I read that somewhere, clearly thats wrong. Ill fix it just for you TTD.

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An average vehicle with an engine and drive system is only about 1 ton. Those boats are mostly plastic with no engine. I'd say it's max weight is only about 300 pounds empty.


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Really, only 300 pounds? I know dudes that weigh that much. Ok. I think I'm wrong here.

How much do the TTD car weigh?


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Failures happen, you can't avoid it, they just do...See chain breaks on coasters, cable breaks on coasters, or flats for that matter. It just happens.

Do I think this is still an incident and stuff happened..yeah, but was it crazy bad like some made it out to be, oh no.

I think most people here make it terrible because they hate the ride to begin with. Oh no STR did this, Oh no, blah blah..

It was bad, people had issues, minor albeit, the ride technically didn't fail in a perfectly safe manor, but no lives were lost, and nothing truly crazy happened.

I'd find the lift chain breaking on Corkscrew and not contained in a trough and coming back and hitting the train a bigger deal than this being honest.


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Cedar Pointer said:
I don't know, those boats are pretty heavy. I tried to lift on once and I couldn't.

So not being able to lift something solidifies it as being 20 tons in gross weight? lol

Seriously though, those boats probably weigh close to 900+ lbs. But that's just a guess.

And to answer your question, a Dragster train weighs around 5 1/2 tons without people. That makes each car around 1 ton individually. I bet one dragster car weighs more than 1 STR boat. :P

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http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.10919060.2625/sticker,375x360.png

It's 20 Tons :D

Haha had to


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Cedar Pointer said:
I don't know, those boats are pretty heavy. I tried to lift on once and I couldn't. But like I said I'm not a scholar.

Next time your at the park please note the 2 ton crane used to lift the boats off of the ride for dry storage. That should help bring your guess back down to reality.

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