Rude worker

Maverick got a really good ride pride. He didn't get to work on Maverick's greatest day, but he did a good job informing the guest of the situation.

Ride prides have their purpose. They also get assigned jobs nobody wants to do anyway. Working entrance is the worst job in ride op. At least that's what I've been told. I loved the groups that worked in foods, but they are normally older and more mature.

As far as the commons, I've had a couple problems with ride prides at Louies. They come as a gang and try to take over. It doesn't normally work since one little group will not push around 100 people who have been around all year and by now, know each other. I actually had the honor of having a group sent home. After all, they are there to represent CP and the college they come from. They also are to follow the rules.

The only thing I don't like about the CP police is the smoking ban (which is not just there fault) has not been enforced at all.

Was by Skyhawk sat night and saw a guy lite up a smoke and the ride host came right over and told him to put it out and he did just that.

If they have time to enforce one they have time to enforce them all.

They succeeded in stopping a dozen or more people from joining the line, and also held up half a dozen or so for half an hour (we would of hit up challenge park if we had time).

Congratulations to them, now lets see them actually stop some people from smoking in lines. Not to mention all the people who walk through the line saying a kids name.

One actually causes discomfort for guests and takes away from it being a family experience. Having police sit and harass guests for half an hour also takes away from the experience.

I've seen people get a DUI and their vehicle towed faster then these CP police.

It is no wonder they cannot enforce smoking rules.

I would of been fine with the police if they asked us to leave and we...got to leave. Instead we have to sit and waste time. Which lost CP business as well in challenge park for that night.

If we happen to be a few years younger we would of got to walk away because it seems CP police do not hold young people accountable. *** Edited 10/10/2007 1:40:06 AM UTC by factory81***

I think the biggest problem at Cedar Point is guests thinking they are the exception to the rule, and then putting up a fight when they are caught. According to the Ohio Penal Code, it is illegal to ignore or disobey a ride host's rules instructions.

factory, heres the summary of what Im reading your argument as:

I broke the rule, because I just couldnt help it I mean other people were doing it! But then the fuzz showed up, and they got all of us out of line, but then they let the kids go for some reason, and then held me the adult (or teen?) responsible for my actions and its just not fair. Some people didn't get punished for it and I did.

I dont think you are going to get much sympathy when you state they let the kids go. They are kids, minors, we as a society tend to give them a brake more then adults. I really don't understand why thats a difficult concept for you to get.

Secondly, CP lost zero money on you, you tried to get in line for Maverick so I really doubt your plan to "go to Challenge Park" which would have closed after you rode Maverick if you hadn't been caught.

Thirdly, again, the employees in the line spotted you and called security. I highly doubt they didn't at least warn you they were about to do so, but even if they didn't you should have looked up and saw that someone spotted you and then disappeared from view to call security. Ive been on a platform at close many times before and thats what the person who was at the ride entrance does until every guest has ridden the ride. It was a dumb thing to do, not only because you broke a rule but you broke a rule that is almost assuredly going to get reported and you get in trouble. The fact that some people got off does not nullify the fact that you and them should be punished. The fact that they got off should not be viewed as an "unfairness" towards you but "good fortune" for them. Getting out of a just punishment is lucky for them but not bad luck, profiling, or an unfairness towards you.

No warnings. Almost up to the stairs and we turn around and there they are. There was such a large group of people though all in all it was more then a ride operator could handle I would think. 2 police showed up...we must of been the big fish to fry.

So if a kid cuts in line they are not punished because they are a minor?

Or if a kid stabs someone at CP it is less of an offense because its a kid?

Yeah right...if your asking everyone who looks like they are a teenager or above your excluding certain people. If you bust a large group of people, and single out a select few it is unfair. We didn't do anything to highlight ourselves. I wouldn't of been mad if I had seen the cops also I.D. and write a report out for every person including the children in line.

It would be as if they exclude everyone and check only the people wearing burkas out in my opinion.

Still my point is they excluded us unfairly. You know the cops were like we'll were not going to find the parents to get their social security numbers, full information, where you were staying, and the whole run down.

Whats the difference between 17312 vs 17330 people? 2 trains a night of people who push the rules. We don't hurt anyyyyyyone or cause cancer like cigs.

Meanwhile I can find cigs in every line but the frog hopper (well maybe not).... *** Edited 10/10/2007 3:52:31 AM UTC by factory81***

one bad apple isnt bad. But when there is more than one then it gets irritating.

Touchdown said:
Also do you know how stupid that idea was? When the last person rides that ride, the employees get to go home (well after cleaning up but thats a fixed time where as waiting on guests to ride is not.)

Wait, you mean to say that you have a "fixed" amount of time set for clean up at night? I work at one of the other parks as an area supervisor and i know my poor folks would love to have a set amount of time to do clean up. But you are so right, you cannot understand the importance of working an all day shift or two, and then have some guest come up through your closed queue line just after you cut the line and then expect to ride. I mean, for the ops, the night ends after clean up, but supervision and up, there's paperwork for the location, then approving shifts, then checking schedules for accuracy the next day (if you didnt have time to do it earlier that day) and then you can go home.

factory81 said:

So if a kid cuts in line they are not punished because they are a minor?

Or if a kid stabs someone at CP it is less of an offense because its a kid?

Whats the difference between 17312 vs 17330 people? 2 trains a night of people who push the rules. We don't hurt anyyyyyyone or cause cancer like cigs.

First, sorry for the double post, second, that is why we try them as "minors" in court. They do not get the punishment as severe as a teen or adult if they were to stab someone at CP.

The difference of 18 people can add as much as 15 to 20 minutes more on to your night after already working a 12 or 13 hour shift. That is 15 to 20 minutes more time you could have at home resting or sleeping.

factory81 said:
No warnings.

Except, of course, the CLOSED entrance.

I think Loopy summed it up perfectly.

Most of the big rides (Millennium, Dragster, Raptor, Twister, and yes Maverick) have security who are scheduled to hang around at closing for the exact reason you encountered them. If the park didn't enforce closing times they might as well not close at all. Just let whoever wants to stay ride all night until 9am the next morning. I'm sure that is plenty safe. No maintenance, dead tired operators, etc.

And let us not forget that the CP Police are an actual Ohio police department and have rules, regulations, and procedures to follow just like any other police. I'm sure everything they did was by the book and they were required to get your information.

Maybe the CP Police could focus more on the smoking ban if they didn't have to babysit queues all day looking for people that think it's okay to not follow the rules. There's a reason they line was closed off, the park was in the process of closing. If you think a few more people (who broke the rules to get there) aren't going to make a difference, you've never worked retail or food service. There's nothing worse than the people who come in one minute to closing and then hang around at the table for an hour, holding up the entire closing process. It's no different for those employees, they've had a long day and just want to start closing down, besides that, you broke the rules. Plain and simple and somebody who can logic out that CP lost money because they held you up and you couldn't get to Challenge Park should be mature enough to deal with the consequences.

That is just where the problems begin is in the queues. The CP police need to find a way to pop up around the lines without being seen.

About any line at CP I've been in has had smoking at one point in time or another.

It happens on the midways as well, but it is most annoying when you are standing next to someone in a line whos puffin away.

I see the CP police standing around more then moving around, and if they move around it tends to be in a vehicle.

I will admit I have seen police at the entrance of the big rides, but what good does it do if 37 feet away people can smoke a cig?

Skyhawk is an unlucky line for smoker because the ride operators are so close to the line / can see it so easy.

Skyhawk is an unlucky line for smoker because the ride operators are so close to the line / can see it so easy.

Unlucky for smokers? How about very good for the rule-obeying riders?

It isn't a rule until you enforce it in my opinion. Skyhawk happens to be designed with the queue layout just right.
So most people who smoke cigs are unlucky there. *** Edited 10/10/2007 4:46:09 PM UTC by factory81***

WOW. No wonder you're complaining about enforcement, you didn't think you were doing anything wrong until they enforced the rule.

What good is having a rule if no one is out to enforce it?
WOW.

How long do you guys figure you'll be throwing a pissy about me entering a line after it was closed?
*** Edited 10/10/2007 4:55:48 PM UTC by factory81***

1. A rule is a rule. Whether or not it is obeyed and/or enforced, it's still a rule.

2. The rule that you can not enter a line was enforced by the Cedar Point Police.

Cedar Point Police are no different from any other police forces. They can not be everywhere you want them to be, and they always can not stop everyone. Especially in a park that has thousands of guests in a day as oposed to afew hundred (this may be wrong) police officers.

Shut the **** up already.