Patriot

A wood coaster with a steel frame does not take up a ton of space. Look at Villain at Geauga Lake, for example. That's a fairly tallish wood coaster but it has a fairly narrow footprint. Compare Villain's first hill with Shivering Timbers' second (about the same height), and look at the difference in how wide Timbers is.

I was thinking more along the lines that you can build around and under steel coasters because they don't have to have steel supports planted into the ground every couple of feet. Even with steel supports every thing has to be grounded much closer and tighter making any space virtually useless.

Jeff,

Thats what I was thinking, but wouldent that just be a larger version of blue streak?

I would love to see eather a b & m multi looper, or a coaster like nitro.

As much as I would love to see a new wooden coaster, it won't bother me if they don't get anything next year. I have only rode Dragster once so I need to do some catching up on that. The park has an amazing selection of rides so I plan on enjoying them all some more. If maXair has really long lines this season (1 hour +) I will wait to ride it next year, no big deal.

Fastball84 said:
Even with steel supports every thing has to be grounded much closer and tighter making any space virtually useless.

Obviously you've not seen Indiana Beach.

You win. ;)

You beat me to the Indiana Beach comment. All the rides are wound around or stacked up on each other. Even some are built on pilings on the lake. Hoosier Hurricane and Cornball Express share the same structure. The water park is build around the Galaxi coaster and Tig'rr is build on top of a restaurant. The amazing thing is that IB still manages to be pleasant.

cedar point does not need another wooden coaster, cedar point needs another looper (currently, only three). it needs a B&M Flyer, B&M Floorless, B&M 4D, or even a B&M 500 FT. 4D Flyer with no floor. ha ha ha

Only 3 "loopers" is your argument for more? And just how many woodies does CP currently have?

MrScott

Froshy said:
What are you guys TALKING about? The name "The Patriot" is for Knott's Berry Farm's new 600-foot looping-inverted-wooden-standup-flyer. ;)

I can imagine it now... The inverted standup concept actually sounds feasible to me. :)

MrScott, if that is your real name. 2 wooden coasters is enough for one park, most parks have 1, 2,or 3. and 2 seems to me to be the average. CP realy needs a flyer themed very well in frontiertown or frontier trail. one that goes through trees, over the river, on to millennium island, over midways, and on and on.

Of course, MrScott is my real name. It has been on this board since 1999 or 2000. I have had or have no other screen name. Period.

It is a matter of preference as to if 2 woodies is enough for a park. I may feel that 3 loopers is enough. Or even too many.

A Shivering Timbers at CP would be awesome, IMO. What Sar (you) mad about, anyway?

MrScott

Sarmad: what the park "needs" and what you "want" are two different things.

MrScott, i was just kidding about your name.

can you tell me where they would fit a shivering timbers in cedar point besides along the beach. from disaster transport to the end of the beach going southeast along the parking lot. link

a B&M flyer wouldn't take up a lot of space if you have it going through other rides, over midways, through trees, and more. kind of how Air at Alton Towers is designed. http://www.rcdb.com/ig1458.htm
*** Edited 4/24/2005 2:33:31 PM UTC by Sarmad*** *** Edited 4/25/2005 2:40:48 AM UTC by Jeff***

Froshy, is Michigan's Adventure FAQ realy coming back soon. it has been so long. i thought that they changed the website to Michigan's Roller Coast.

also, do you have any idea when Fair Net is coming out. (sister site to MAFAQ)

Design layout people could probably find many places to put an out and back big woodie. I am not one of those layout people.

The place you mentioned comes to mide, though.

That, and the back of the park comes to mind.

MrScott

I'd really love to see B&M Flyer come to Cedar Point.

As for this Patriot ride. We know the color scheme.

MA's rides have a lot of Michigan related names. Timbers, Wolverines, Loggers. The whole Worlds of Fun American area seems like a good guess to me.

I think CP has another ride up their sleeve for MA for the 2006 season.

Have any of you been to SFMM? They have a floorless, 4D, Stand up, Invert, and it never gets boring. Magnum, then Millenium, then TTD. It is starting to get boring, we need some twisted metal track that goes upside down. I just got back from SFMM, and with everything they have, the rides are starting to give Cedar Points rides a run for there money. Why the heck would you want another woodie? They are all the same type of ride, that would be like building 3 Wicked Twisters. Floorless, 4-D (My favorite ride of all time) or Flyer.

We're all well aware of what SFMM has to offer, and Cedar Point is in no way threatened by their selection of rides. "Why?" you ask. Well they can never seem to have all of them up and running at any given moment and they are thousands of miles away!

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Race for the Fry said:
Have any of you been to SFMM? They have a floorless, 4D, Stand up, Invert, and it never gets boring. Magnum, then Millenium, then TTD. It is starting to get boring, we need some twisted metal track that goes upside down.

If you think it's boring then don't take up room in the queue lines. There isn't a single thing that is boring about TTD, MF, or Magnum because they are all excellent rides, my three favourites infact.