No free ticket offer for PLATINUM passes?

Kyle2154 said:

My "per day" admission at Cedar Point and Kings Island this year was a little under $8. Now that's a deal!

But how much did you spend once inside of the park? My "per day" if I had a season pass to Disney, universal, six flags ect...ect, would be about the same or less in some casses.

Dj hit the nail on the head when he said that differant people have differant ideas on what parks are a better deal for them. I think that Disney is a great deal, but some people may not think the same way.

In MY opinion, platinum passes are an "ok" deal, but I think there are better deals out there to be had(six flags, busch). Again fanboys...listen up. This is MY opinion. You may not agree with me, and I may think that cedar point is not the best-est place in the world, but we are all intitaled to our own opinions.

What happened to buying a Season Pass because you wanted a good deal on admission all season long? I don't know about you guys but I don't buy a pass based on the "extras".

Because it has been brought up that season pass holders do not spend money once inside the park. Coupons, deals...ect, could be a way to spur sales to people that normaly don't spend much money in the park.

I want somebody to explain to me how crazy horse is childish and idiotic!!! I read everything and he was stating his opinion! I don't want to believe that Six Flags is getting their crap together and that Cedar Fair is millions of dollars in debt, but we have to accept the FACTS! You all want to sit here and say how childish he is, but you keep commenting right back with things such as "Your childish banter and hypocrisy are not impressing anyone". Come on now..."POT MEET KETTLE"! You asked for facts, he provided you with facts. Get over it!

Crazy Horse, I'm one to want to believe that Cedar Fair is the best in the Amusement Industry, but with facts provided it makes me realize they aren't! I applaud you for sticking to your word from the beginning and holding your own while some other idiots want to gang up on you!!

I also didn't understand the attacking of crazy horse. He was not saying Cedar Fair is a terrible chain and Six Flags does everything perfectly (I mean, he's on Cedar Point FAN forums for crying out loud). He was pointing out some things he liked that the chain did, and that it isn't as awful as lots of people here write it off to be.

Sure it was getting a bit off topic from the original post, but don't all threads do that?

I recognize this IS a Cedar Point fan page, but it seems some people take criticism about the park as attacks, and then they do everything in their power to defend what CP is doing.

The reality is that Cedar Fair isn't in the strongest possible financial situation. There is growing competition not only from competing parks, but from new forms of entertainment like video games, computers, facebook, etc.

I can speak for myself by saying that when I criticize the park, it's for the purpose of helping it stay around as long as possible. Now more than ever, businesses must adapt to the increasing expectations of customers. What worked so well in 1994 does not work so well today.

Ffej said:

I recognize this IS a Cedar Point fan page, but it seems some people take criticism about the park as attacks, and then they do everything in their power to defend what CP is doing.

Clearly, you haven't been reading the same forum I have. Or perhaps you've missed the many ongoing complaints from some of the most enduring contributors to this site -- even Jeff himself -- about issues such as poor accommodations; food service, pricing and quality; the need to replace management; and the ongoing dysfunctional corporate culture. There are very few people here who engage in the type of thing you're suggesting.

I don't wade into these types of discussions very often, and when I do it's usually to make a humorous point and/or to bring the thread back around to civility and common sense. And I've taken crazy horse's side a number of times in ongoing debates. But when someone suggests that anyone who disagrees with him is "living in a box" or being a "fanboy", that's when I step in.

The reality is that Cedar Fair isn't in the strongest possible financial situation.

True enough, and many of the same people you've accused of only defending the chain, self included, have discussed and groused about this very topic to no end. But to suggest that CF is in worse financial shape than Six Flags, as crazy has done, because its management has been so much worse than, is ridiculous beyond the point of imagining. Six Flags was drowning in even worse debt than CF, and its management problems led it into BANKRUPTCY. During those proceedings, it had most of its ongoing debt vaporized. Does that sound like a better model than what CF has been doing? I've personally argued that CF was heading down that very same road itself. Hasn't happened yet, and it might not yet come to pass, but seriously. Six Flags is where it is now because it was even worse than CF, and got a free pass.

Mike, forgive me for participating in your and others' argument with crazy horse about Six Flags. To be perfectly honest, I read it very loosely, as it was of low interest. I was interested when crazy was speaking of the Six Flags promotions that were offered (promotions are naturally something I'm very interested in, as they're the cornerstone of my career / business), which was apparently how a CP vs Six Flags argument got started. Again, I read very little of that.

I was not making any accusations of you or any particular people. When skimming through, I did notice quite a bit of hostility toward him, and I didn't feel him giving much back. That's what I didn't understand.

I've seen crazy speak of Six Flags many times in forums, and then the thread tends to turn into a CP vs Six Flags war. Why is this necessary? Why can't people recognize that Six Flags does have some great promotions and ideas; then move on? I could show many examples of this, but I don't want to get into any personal arguments.

GLFan6290 said:
I want somebody to explain to me how crazy horse is childish and idiotic!!!

Ffej said:
When skimming through, I did notice quite a bit of hostility toward him, and I didn't feel him giving much back.

Are you serious? Going back one page...

crazy horse said:
Are you done kissing his ass?

crazy horse said:
...trying to sell that to some of the fanboys on here is an uphill battle.

crazy horse said:
You just continue to live in your little box, and continue to argue like a typical fanboy does.

crazy horse said:
It's best you do walk away with your tail between your legs.

crazy horse said:
Again fanboys...listen up.

So what your saying is that I should just sit back and not respond to all the negative commits geared tourds me?

I also find it funny that DJ seems to want to focas on the topic, but he still finds the need to chime in and be who he is.

The fanboy comments are out of frustration from certain people that think that there is no way cedarpoint can do no wrong.

You referred to me as a "fanboy" when all I did was say my per day admission to Cedar Fair parks was under $8 this year.

Why are you so ticked off that I feel I'm getting a good deal with the platinum pass?

crazy horse said:
So what your saying is that I should just sit back and not respond to all the negative commits geared tourds me?

Yes. For someone who complains about the negativity, off topicness and overall tone of threads, you contribute to that tone, even in your most recent post, with your ad hominem attack on me.

The fanboy comments are out of frustration from certain people that think that there is no way cedarpoint can do no wrong.

You're wildly misrepresenting the pro-CF position. I don't see anyone suggesting that CP/CF can do no wrong. It seems that anyone who disagrees with you is a "fanboy" living inside a "little box" or whatever.

Myself and others have attempted several times to nudge the topic back on track, but it keeps veering into name calling (almost all of which is coming from you) and so on.

Ensign Smith said:
...to suggest that CF is in worse financial shape than Six Flags, as crazy has done, because its management has been so much worse than, is ridiculous beyond the point of imagining. Six Flags was drowning in even worse debt than CF, and its management problems led it into BANKRUPTCY. During those proceedings, it had most of its ongoing debt vaporized. Does that sound like a better model than what CF has been doing?

Exactly. Both companies have dealt with serious financial mismanagement. And as you point out, Six Flags' has resulted in a far worse outcome.

crazy horse said:
So what your saying is that I should just sit back and not respond to all the negative commits geared tourds me?

That's pretty much what I've been doing this whole time. Its actually quite enjoyable. :)

At first, it was an enjoyable debate, however it has escalated into something that truly isn't worth fighting for. I'll be the first to criticize CF if I truly believe they are at fault. I've agreed with crazy_horse multiple times throughout the argument, and he has agrees with me multiple times. I found a point though when the hostility between he and I had reached a level that I wasn't comfortable with, and so I put an end to the argument. Now we start things up again when outsiders comment on how I'm an idiot and a hypocrite. Oh well, I guess I can't please everyone. :)

djDaemon said:

Yes. For someone who complains about the negativity, off topicness and overall tone of threads, you contribute to that tone, even in your most recent post, with your ad hominem attack on me.

You're wildly misrepresenting the pro-CF position. I don't see anyone suggesting that CP/CF can do no wrong. It seems that anyone who disagrees with you is a "fanboy" living inside a "little box" or whatever.

Myself and others have attempted several times to nudge the topic back on track, but it keeps veering into name calling (almost all of which is coming from you) and so on.

1. Pot meet kettle(speak for yourself)

2.I have showed proof several times on how other companies are doing some things better than cedar point, but some people just refuse to accept that for some reason. And when I show the proof, all they do is say things to blow it off like nothing or deny it or even say my argument is weak. So yea, sounds like fanboy to me.

If you show proof to sombody that puts any kind of negative light on cedar point, they don't like it on here. And they eather blow it off or have the "so what"...cedar point is my BFF attitude. It's like arguing with a tree stump. So much for having an open mind.

I have attempted to bring this thread back on track as well, so don't go harping to me about it being my fault.....Of course you always try to twist things around to point the finger at me and other people all the time anyway. Me and a lot of other people are sick of your "holier(sp) than thou" attitude that you have DJ. So instead of trying to move on, you went back and quoted things that I had said.....yea, sounds like you really want to get this thread back on track. After all, you have tried sooo hard to nudge it back on topic right?

"Almost" all of the so called name calling is comming from me? Other than calling some people a fanboy(oh the humanity), I don't get where I was calling anybody names. So I guess the next time someone starts to criticise(sp) me, I will just sit back and take it so I don't get acused of being a name caller(rolls eyes).

crazy horse said:
So what your saying is that I should just sit back and not respond to all the negative commits geared tourds me?

Well if you'd check spelling now and then, that would help. "Tourds?" Really?

The fact is that you make just as many ad hominem and snarky personal comments as the people "attacking" you, so what are you expecting?

And this is directed at people on both sides of this non-debate: If you continue to make it personal or base your arguments on name calling, you will no longer be welcome to post here. Clean it up or get lost.

DJ, you're one to talk about hostility. And the quotes from crazy horse you used as your facts and backup isn't nearly as bad as the 2 sense you put in.I have yet to see a thread stay on topic that you've commented on...

^ Clearly you didn't read Jeff's post, which is directly above yours. Not sure how you missed it.

Seriously. You're the first noisemaker I could do with out.

Well I can see who shows favoritism around here and its quite pathetic. Don't single certain people out. And I didnt by pass his post, I'm just letting you know that its sad that you can't accept other peoples opinions and still argue with someone when they provide facts! i might be a "noisemaker", but atleast i know right from wrong.

What else is pathetic is the fact that everyone wants to jump on crazy horse's
case because nobody agrees with him and make comments about a typo he made and all of a sudden he needs to work on his grammar? Come on now! let's grow up and accept the fact that we all make typing mistakes. so go ahead, get the last word in! Your authority doesn't mean anything when it comes to singling someone out just so u know!

Suddenly, this seems appropriate.