No free ticket offer for PLATINUM passes?

I could have sworn that I heard something......

Dj, your gonna make him start crying again. :)

crazy horse said:

Six flags has gotton out of it's past troubles with better management.

Hmmm? What part of 'corporate bankruptcy' makes better management?

Well, I think I'm done with this argument, which never held any water to begin with.

On that note, I still believe that these stickers would be a great idea. They are a quicky, easy solution too, and isn't that what Cedar Fair is all about? :)

Your mom is to fat to ride TTD. said:
Dj, your gonna make him start crying again. :)

Because I disagree with him I am crying about it?

Are you done kissing his ass? If so, can we get back to our normal brodcast schedule?

RideWarrior18 said:
Well, I think I'm done with this argument, as my argument never held any water to begin with.

On that note, I still believe that these stickers would be a great idea. They are a quicky, easy solution too, and isn't that what Cedar Fair is all about? :)

Fixed it for you.:)

Yes, the stickers would be a great idea. I know six flags and Disney have some kind of stickers in the windows and doors of places that give season pass discounts.

So pretty much everyone is finally agreeing with me that CP does a less than stellar job of promoting specials, deals, perks, etc? Thank you.

I couldn't agree more about coming up with a better system of advertising Point Perks. I looked at the discounts on the website several times, but nothing was memorable other than the BOGO Challenge Park attractions. I think of my Platinum Pass only as a tool to get me parked and into the park early.

But on another note, I couldn't agree more with crazy horse that a coupon booklet should have been provided with a pass, and I already mentioned this earlier about what kind of coupons could be offered. (If I was in charge of the park's promotions, everyone coming in the gate would be handed coupons with their park map...the platinum pass coupons would be extra special and targeted toward areas where PP holders weren't spending). Coupons don't shed profit...and if they are, it's time to come up with a better one that works. By that logic, all those pizza coupons are just putting the pizza places in a mess of lost profit, right? lol

If anyone thinks that a 10% discount on the purchase of 2 entrees at Game Day Grille provided to Platinum Pass holders (and most not even aware) is spurring food sales for the park, I don't know what to say. Since the food in the park is so ridiculously over-priced, I'm only going to be interested in an offer that isn't a slap in the face. Couldn't they come up with something better than that? Has anyone here been lured into buying a Platinum Pass because of that 10% discount on 2 entrees at Game Day Grille? Or would you say it's a forgettable perk when seeing 1 hour early entry to Cedar Point?

Therefore, we're interested in a perk (early entry) that might be great for spurring pass sales, but it's not really making them money for the day. And they wonder why PP spending is so low? I love Cedar Point, but some of their decisions year after year remind me of a puppy mindlessly chasing its tail perpetually.

@Crazy: Yes, very childish of you. How about I was the one that actually backed up my argument with facts AND reason, unlike you who seems to still be living in a corprate fantasy world. Let's be reminded, regardless of what you think of other people on here, who's argument was supported and who's argument was rejected by the PointBuzz audidence? I was trying to end this, but if you want to fire it back up again, fine, but what originally started as a mildly entertaining argument is now turning into a series of personal attacks.

Also, I have no idea what you are arguing with me about now, as you have you just agreed to the fundamental idea about the thread, and not some irrelevent SF vs. CP argument.

@Ffej: The only reason why I am so anti-coupon book is because there is really no need for it. All it really does is list the perks that you already have included with your pass, and if you really cared enough you can go to guest services and get that list, or print it off the CP website.

Another side note to that is that you're ripping on Point Perks. I'm fine with that, as all of them are substandard (including Early Entry, as the crowds with the resort guests and all the passholders has really nixed my desire to go).

Also, while I don't beleive that 10% off at the Game Day Grille is spurring food sales, I do believe that it makes you more likely to eat there, if you are aware of it. My family and I try not to spend money in the park, but when we do we always use the Platinum Pass discount. OF course, they could come up with better discounts, but this would cost time and money for CF, and remember, anything that costs time and money and isn't a ride is not worth it. ;)

RideWarrior18 said:
@Crazy: Yes, very childish of you. How about I was the one that actually backed up my argument with facts AND reason, unlike you who seems to still be living in a corprate fantasy world. Let's be reminded, regardless of what you think of other people on here, who's argument was supported and who's argument was rejected by the PointBuzz audidence? I was trying to end this, but if you want to fire it back up again, fine, but what originally started as a mildly entertaining argument is now turning into a series of personal attacks.

Did you not read what I posted?

I did back up my argument with facts. Of course trying to sell that to some of the fanboys on here is an uphill battle.:)

Need more facts? Here ya go.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704868604575433130850111358.html

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9HKL2080.htm

But wait, theres more(in infomercial voice)

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-sixflags_17bus.ART0.State.Edition1.293e00d.html

And...

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/08/16/2407442/six-flags-parks-attendance-up.html

Need any other proof?

Arguing with you is like arguing with my mom or my girlfriend. There's just no point, because you lack the basic need to have logic and reason in your argument. Personally, I could care less which company is better, because I go to Cedar Point, not SFMM or SFGAdv.

Well, I don't know what to tell you. I showed you the facts, but you refuse to believe that six flags is not as bad of a park chain as you want to believe.

To win an argument, you need to show the facts. And I have done that. So I guess there is no logic or reason to that?

I am glad that you will not be going to six flags. That's one less person in line in front of me. Of course I use the flash pass so I don't have to stand in long lines.:)

You just continue to live in your little box, and continue to argue like a typical fanboy does.

I'm not very clear what argument you've won? That Six Flags is objectively, scientifically, empirically a better company than Cedar Fair? That's an unprovable.

Does Six Flags do some things better than CF? Sure. And likewise, Cedar Fair does a few things better as well. So what? Your points that you've made have been largely selective, misconstructed or irrelevant. You've made a huge to-do about how the perks for SF are so much better than CF. First off, you haven't convinced me, and secondly I really don't give a rat's behind.

Seriously, crazy horse, you really need to tone it down. You're not winning any arguments or friends, and you've made the tone of this thread much more combative than it was already.

RideWarrior18 said:
@Crazy: I don't want to turn this into a CP vs. SF argument, but their business models are extremely different. It is quite clear that CF is a company that is run much more effeciently and effectively than SF. Based on the price/earnings ratio (CF 21.5 vs. SF 3.7) as well as the average attendance per park* (CF 2.1 million vs. SF 1.2 million), Cedar Fair is the more financially sound and more popular park chain. So what if Six Flags has more discounts on their passes? Cedar Fair is the better company (based on these two figures), and in the end they will give you more of your money's worth that SF. Personally, I'd much rather have a well rounded park chain with 122 amazing roller coasters than a cookie cutter park chain that gives me extra discounts on my season pass.

I just showed proof that his facts are all wrong. I am not the one making a huge to-do about it, just pointing out the facts.

I even said that I did not want to derail this thread, but he continued on with the argument. So before you try and point the finger at me, you better read back a page or so. Your right to say that both parks have issues, but as of late, cedarpoint seems to be going downhill fast.

I am not sure what argument I have lost. I provided proof for all the things he has said.

Can we get back on track now?

A few other things that sf season pass holders get discounts on are 25% off food, merch, and flash passes, free tickets for friends. Here is a link to some of the extras that magic mountain pass holders get.

http://www.sixflags.com/magicmountain/tickets/thrillpass.aspx

Universal studios has some great deals for season pass holders as well here...http://www.universalorlando.com/Tickets/Annual_Passholders/Preferred_Pass/preferred_discounts_popup.aspx?ComponentId=9643&SourcePageId=12959#1

Busch also has some gret bennifits for season pass holders here...

http://www.buschgardens.com/BGW/PassBenefits.aspx

Here is Disneys...

http://www.wdwinfo.com/discounts/discounts-ap.htm

What do all of these have in common? They are ALL selling points for the season passes. If you notice, on all the parks season pass websites, the discounts are listed right there for you to see. Cedar points is hard to find. If your going to offer deals with the purchase of a season pass, why not flaunt(sp) them? Have some signes around the park that say things like "Pick up a 2011 season pass, and save on food and merch purchases all season long". If I were a park that had season passes, I would want to push the sale. I did not even know when the passes went onsale for 2011. There was no mention of it that I saw untill I looked into it myself.

I wish cedar point would do things like 25%(just picking a number) off food and merch. I may spend a few bucks on more things in the park. The only park items I bought this year are the park maps they sell, and some glasses straps(forgot mine at home). I wanted to buy a t-shirt, but they wanted $22 for it so I passed. Maybe a discount on the shirt would have changed my mind. After going to waldamear park and only spending $10 for a ravine flyer shirt, I coulden't justify spending $22 on a shirt for shoot the rapids.

The season pass holder appreciation day was an epic fail. They did not promote it, and there was no mention of it untill a few days before.

I am not sure who is at the helm of the cedar fair marketing dept, but I think it's time for a change.

Ffej said:
Coupons don't shed profit...

By that logic, all those pizza coupons are just putting the pizza places in a mess of lost profit, right? lol...

If anyone thinks that a 10% discount on the purchase of 2 entrees at Game Day Grille provided to Platinum Pass holders (and most not even aware) is spurring food sales for the park, I don't know what to say.

There's an awful lot of points presented there that have absolutely no basis in fact. Not saying they're all untrue, but c'mon, all of the above (and more presented in this thread) is nothing more than opinion. Let's keep that in mind.

crazy horse said:
Can we get back on track now?

You've been saying things like this a lot lately, usually in the middle of your posts. The phrase's location within said posts should be telling.

crazy horse said:
[Here is Disneys...

http://www.wdwinfo.com/discounts/discounts-ap.htm

What do all of these have in common? They are ALL selling points for the season passes. If you notice, on all the parks season pass websites, the discounts are listed right there for you to see.

And yet you link to a Disney Fansite to show their discount info. In fact, Disney is probably the worst for finding information on Season Passes and the discounts associated with them.

Disney also charges an astounding $87 for a one day, one park option (base ticket). Access to waterparks is an additional $49. Disney has two option for "Orlando Platinum Passes." One is $670 (Premium) and the other is $531 (Regular.) The Nationawide Platinum Pass costs $700. Source: http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/tickets-passes/

Universal charges $82 for one park, on one day. Want two parks? Jack that up to $112. Their Power Pass (Season Pass) is $140, giving access to 2 parks with blackout dates. The Preferred Pass (low-end Platinum Pass) is $220, and is basically a Season Pass without the blackouts of the Power Pass. Want the good stuff? Get the Premier Pass for the low price of $290 and you'll finally get the discounts that are oh so important. Source: http://www.universalorlando.com/Tickets/tickets_2.aspx#page=Tickets_Annual-Passholders_annualpass.html&expID=13-5805&contentID=13-13510&seq=1 and http://www.universalorlando.com/Tickets/tickets_2.aspx#page=Tickets_tickets-2.html&expID=13-5805&contentID=13-11423&seq=2

SeaWorld charges the low-end of the Orlando spectrum at $79 for a one day, one park ticket, but includes a visit the next day for free. They also offer the best deals on passes, with the Silver Pass (Season Pass) going for $109 for two years or $54.50/year and a two-year Platinum Pass going for $259, or $130/year. This may be the best offer on all parks, but remember SeaWorld and Busch Gardens and centered on education, not thrills. Source: http://www.seaworld.com/sitepage.aspx?pageid=353 and http://www.seaworld.com/Tickets/Visitors.aspx

So basically, pricing is terrible for other major park brands. I can't access SF page, so if someone wants to help me out and look at that for me, that'd be great.

-------if you are crazy_horse, please read below. If not, have a great day!-------

Also, crazy_horse, this will be the last time I address you in this thread. Your childish banter and hypocrisy are not impressing anyone. Your use of "big" words and irrelevent facts are not making us feel like you're an intelligent person. Quite frankly, this started off as a great opportunity to present my opinion to someone with a conflicting view, but I had no idea that this person had no intention of injecting reason or repesct in thier argument. That being said, I'll be the bigger man and walk away from this. It seems that you are too busy hiding behind a screen name and your computer to realize that you lost this argument, and your continued bantering and beat of the dead horse is not helping your cause. Lets just turn to your signature for a final word: "What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

How exciting! This looks to be Pointbuzz's very own debate and we all get to watch both sides try to convince the other side they are wrong.

RideWarrior18 said:
Disney also charges an astounding $87 for a one day, one park option (base ticket). Access to waterparks is an additional $49. Disney has two option for "Orlando Platinum Passes." One is $670 (Premium) and the other is $531 (Regular.) The Nationawide Platinum Pass costs $700. Source: http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/tickets-passes/

Universal charges $82 for one park, on one day. Want two parks? Jack that up to $112. Their Power Pass (Season Pass) is $140, giving access to 2 parks with blackout dates. The Preferred Pass (low-end Platinum Pass) is $220, and is basically a Season Pass without the blackouts of the Power Pass. Want the good stuff? Get the Premier Pass for the low price of $290 and you'll finally get the discounts that are oh so important. Source: http://www.universalorlando.com/Tickets/tickets_2.aspx#page=Tickets_Annual-Passholders_annualpass.html&expID=13-5805&contentID=13-13510&seq=1 and http://www.universalorlando.com/Tickets/tickets_2.aspx#page=Tickets_tickets-2.html&expID=13-5805&contentID=13-11423&seq=2

SeaWorld charges the low-end of the Orlando spectrum at $79 for a one day, one park ticket, but includes a visit the next day for free. They also offer the best deals on passes, with the Silver Pass (Season Pass) going for $109 for two years or $54.50/year and a two-year Platinum Pass going for $259, or $130/year. This may be the best offer on all parks, but remember SeaWorld and Busch Gardens and centered on education, not thrills. Source: http://www.seaworld.com/sitepage.aspx?pageid=353 and http://www.seaworld.com/Tickets/Visitors.aspx

So basically, pricing is terrible for other major park brands. I can't access SF page, so if someone wants to help me out and look at that for me, that'd be great.

-------if you are crazy_horse, please read below. If not, have a great day!-------

Also, crazy_horse, this will be the last time I address you in this thread. Your childish banter and hypocrisy are not impressing anyone. Your use of "big" words and irrelevent facts are not making us feel like you're an intelligent person. Quite frankly, this started off as a great opportunity to present my opinion to someone with a conflicting view, but I had no idea that this person had no intention of injecting reason or repesct in thier argument. That being said, I'll be the bigger man and walk away from this. It seems that you are too busy hiding behind a screen name and your computer to realize that you lost this argument, and your continued bantering and beat of the dead horse is not helping your cause. Lets just turn to your signature for a final word: "What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

It's best you do walk away with your tail between your legs.:)

You have to remember that you are getting all 4 Disney theme parks. At $531 a pass, that comes out to about $130 per park. I am not sure, but a friend that has the Disney annual pass said that when you renew the pass every year it gets cheaper. He also said that they gave him 2 extra months for free added onto the pass for renew the pass(total of 14 months).

Busch gardens is aimed tourds education and not thrills? The only education I found at the Virginia park was beer school and maybe 2 animal displays. In florida, they have a few more animal displays but in no way can you say that the park is lacking thrills. Have you seen the new coaster they are building? This thing looks great. They also have 6 other coasters and lots of twirl and hurls.

Check out the new coaster here...

http://www.buschgardens.com/bgt/buschgardens2011.aspx

Sea world is aimed more tourds sea life education, but has thrills as well. Manta was just bult this year, and they have journey to atlantis, kraken, wild artic, and a few other thrills. Not a "bad" deal for the price of the pass. I thought that they were advertising a child tickets for $5 this year as well.

I know that for us, we love the coasters and thrill rides, but we like to take in the shows and other offerings of the park as well.

Universal is a little pricey, but look what they are giving you. For $134, you get 2 parks for two days. That's only $68 per day for both parks. Cedarpoint is charging $76 for a two day pass to one park. And in all fairness, the blackout dates are days when the park is just slammed. I would not want to be there on those days anyways. The season pass is only $140. That's 2 parks.

I put the link for six flags season pass prices and perks in my last post. Here it is again.

http://www.sixflags.com/magicmountain/tickets/thrillpass.aspx

Not a bad deal.

crazy horse said:
Universal is a little pricey, but look what they are giving you. For $134, you get 2 parks for two days. That's only $68 per day for both parks.

My "per day" admission at Cedar Point and Kings Island this year was a little under $8. Now that's a deal!

Is there really a point to all this? I mean, yeah, we can dissect the cost-per-day for all sorts of various daily admission & season pass scenarios, but what's the point? The value any given person finds in a visit to Park Chain Alpha might be different from the perceived value of a visit to Park Chain Omega, just like any two visitors might not agree on the value of a day's visit to a particular park.

Or, if that's too complicated to grasp, how about we all just agree that Six Flags is super awesome and way better at everything than Cedar Fair so we can move this conversation forward. :)