By your standards every person that drives down my street to reach what is at the end is being inconsiderate of me because I can hear and see their car and if I step in front of them and they hit me I would be on the losing end...
Seems like someone is taking their cross walk guard duties a bit too far...
How is legally driving on a road considered inconsiderate?
Paisley said:
By your standards every person that drives down my street to reach what is at the end is being inconsiderate...
If your street is one of only two that leads to a specific destination, and the other street has more than double the capacity and comparatively non-existent residential zones, then yes.
I get that for many of you taking this route is an old habit, and I get that it's a far more picturesque journey. But you're still causing traffic congestion and imposing a safety hazard in a residential area by choosing this route.
Brandon
First of all, do we know for sure that this is happening?
I’ve followed these varying opinions, and I see three sides. On one are the folks that say “that’s fine”. On the second there are those that blame the park for ruining their fun. On the last there’s those that blame the residents for trying to do the same.
Here’s how I see it. If Cedar Point does indeed own the road then they can do whatever they want. And if the fine, tax-paying residents of Cedar Point Rd are perpetually sick and tired of their lives and safety being disrupted, and if I owned the park, I’d have to concede to their point.
Yes, the Chausee was the original auto access to Cedar Point. So what? A lot of things have changed since then. Expensive lakeside property has risen, and park attendance has increased by millions. A dedicated entrance to the park has since been developed and anyone and everyone should see the benefit of using that, especially during high season on busy days.
Plus, if Cedar Point is responsible for maintaining the road my guess is they would welcome less wear and tear on it resulting in lower maintenance costs. That toll/parking booth can be eliminated. Security concerns along the road are reduced. And the residents, whom I’m sure the park would like to keep as good neighbors, have to be happier.
Speaking of the residents, I’ve known people that have lived there and currently know some. They are both contractors and built their (fabulous, btw) home on the Chausee knowing that they had landed one of the finest properties on the lake. They also knew what they were in for. One night over beers I asked the guy how they like all the summer craziness. He’s good natured, and kind of chuckled, but he did say while it’s impossible on their summer weekend days off to get to the store and back, or to expect speedy response from the squad if needed, in the long run it’s not that bad. It amounts to a few really bad days out of the entire year. Now, that’s one neighbor out of hundreds, so who knows how the rest of them feel.
Maybe it doesn’t matter how they feel, but for sure it doesn’t matter how we feel. As a former Sandusky resident I’ve used Cedar Point Rd. to get to the park. As a former employee I used the road late at night to drive to a beach for private time with a date. After a park visit I’ve taken friends down the road to show them the beautiful place where I once envisioned my retirement. I’ve also on occasion sat in a long line of traffic, and all I could think of was how sucky it would be to live there.
We all have reasons to be sentimental about the Chausee. So, if this comes to pass at all, maybe we can plan our trips through the willows on the off season when the park is closed. Maybe with luck access won’t be so restricted. But in the meantime I have a hard time blaming anyone involved for wanting a change.
RCMAC said:
..... A dedicated (main) entrance to the park has since been developed and anyone and everyone should see the benefit of using that, especially during high season on busy days....
While I agree with most of your post. That ^ sentence is the EXACT reason I still to this day take the Chausee. It gave me vivid memories of Opening Day 2013 (Gatekeepers Debut). I come in from Huron (along route 6 to the east) to get to CP. There was a 4 mile back up (at a standstill) that day (right PAST the Chausee entrance) to go down rt. 6 just to get by Castaway Bay, outside the main CP gates. That route took my friends 2+ hours that day to just get in. I took the Chausee and it took me about 10 minutes to get to the back toll booth by the beach. There were only about 10 cars in front of me by the back booth. That, my friend, is the benefit of a lesser known (not publicized) entrance compared to the main gates that most people now travel through. Yes, those residents know what they got into when they bought their property.
They knew what they were buying into, that's true. But they also have the right to attempt to improve their living situation if they choose to do so.
Frankly, it's Cedar Point's and the resident's business to deal with it as they see fit in a mutual way.
And no, RCMAC, no one has a clue (to my knowledge) if this rises above simply a rumor. I'm not even sure how it got started in the first place.
As I mentioned earlier, whenever we take this route coming and going, we are literally the only car on that road, so I have not witnessed what it can be like on a busy day. If I was a resident that lived there, I would certainly support an effort to get the road gated and blocked to public use.
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djDaemon said:
Paisley said:
By your standards every person that drives down my street to reach what is at the end is being inconsiderate...
If your street is one of only two that leads to a specific destination, and the other street has more than double the capacity and comparatively non-existent residential zones, then yes.
I get that for many of you taking this route is an old habit, and I get that it's a far more picturesque journey. But you're still causing traffic congestion and imposing a safety hazard in a residential area by choosing this route.
Actually my street connects two busy roads, one of them a state rout and there is a freeway running parallel to it with exits at either end of my street so in theory probably half the traffic on my street on any given day could have taken the freeway instead but I don't really care. I knew the road was busy when I initially looked at the house and like the houses on the chausee the property has some unique characteristics that would not be easy to find in the same community and school district within my budget on a quiet street so I made the decision to tolerate the traffic in exchange for having a unique property. I don't consider people choosing not to use the freeway to be inconsiderate. Before I lived on the street I usually chose to drive it instead of the freeway myself.
Where the rumor started was actually me repeating what a friend who is employed by the park was told. Since they do not work a Lemon Chill stand and their job deals with transportation and would be directly affected by changes in traffic flow I would guess they are more likely than not to have genuine information. It's always possible that what they were told is tentative but they seemed to be under the impression it's a done deal. I hope not, but if the road is restricted when I go back in May I won't be surprised either since this fall is the first time I've ever seen the park try to actively discourage people from entering that way.
Bobb-z said:
Well, we already knew the Extreme Sports Stadium was coming down. As of this morning, it has been torn down to the ground. This link takes you to Tony Clark's demolition photo.
https://twitter.com/TonyClarkCP/status/930421312639598595
Yet, I do not see the stadium's neighbor, Wicked Twister, going anywhere. I would hate to lose that great ride.
Thank you for trying to get this thread back on track.
You're welcome, Skydiver.
As I mentioned a while back, I think the next coaster to go someday is Corkscrew. Sad, but probably true.
For any other ride, I fear that Snake River Falls may also go. This one saddens me because it's one of the only rides my late father could ride (he was a heavy man) and Snake has always been / still is the perfect
guaranteed drench on a summer day. Yet, we know how very few people ride it, and the park knows this as well.
If I'm wrong about Snake River, then please let me be wrong. I cannot predict any other ride that could go soon.
Snake River has had some mechanical issues recently as well, having trouble staying open as well as that time a year or two ago when it jumped the “track” (not really sure what to call it). I’d hope for a newer version of a shoot the chutes to take its place, like a Mack PowerSplash.
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I could see either SRF or Wicked Twister being next. It's probably safe to say the Skycoaster location is temporary. Bingo! Two large plots of prime real estate! And a GCI would look good in either.
What could be gained by removing Wicked Twister? I takes up very little land and isn't much a downtime machine. Anything that could be built without it there could probably still be built with it.
Please leave WT alone :)
I find it really thrilling and can't find one reason that it should go that makes sense to me.
^^A ride "taking up only a little land" probably isn't a major factor in deciding to remove it. For example: Space Spiral, Wildcat, Demon Drop, Wildcat, Rotor, etc....
I'll admit though, the Chausee takes up alot of land.
NOOOO!! Don’t remove the Chausee!!
I love the chausee, it’s one of the only things my whole family can ride together!
New for 2024- Wicked Twister Plus
I could see Wicked Twister for sure, not that I want it to go. It's a prime candidate for relocation (I know Great America was the big rumor) and, if combined with the new plot of land opened up from the stadium, could provide space for a decent size attraction.
On the other hand, it's possible that something is going to be replacing that space already like others have mentioned.
I'd also really miss Snake River Falls, I love that ride.
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djDaemon said:
This assumes that there has always been a lot of CP traffic going down that road. There has long been an amusement park nearby, but it stands to reason more people know about and use the Chausee today than was the case, say, in the 1990's.
Plus, it's not as if residents are complaining about the noisy park nearby. They're complaining that CP's guests are using a residential two lane road to reach the park, when there is an alternative direct route with more than double the capacity. In other words, they're not trying to shut the park down. They're just asking the park to be a decent neighbor.
O'Hare was originally Orchard Airport (which is where the ORD designation comes from). O'Hare wasn't always as busy as it is today.
I'll hold to my opinion: if you buy a house next to an airport, you don't get to be surprised by having airplanes overhead. And if you buy property on a company-owned road leading to an amusement park, you don't get to be surprised that people will use that road to get to the park.
When I go to Cedar Point, I usually stay east of Sandusky. Using the causeway is out of my way. I enjoy the Chausee; it's scenic and easy access to the park.
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