My First Trip Report..Rather Ranty

Well, if you are going to bring up events, you should get the facts straight. The guy didn't not fall out of SM:ROS because he was handicapped, he fell out because his restraint was never secured nor checked. Intamin had a knee-jerk reaction to require that the belts be shortened on similar rides to measure that someone can safely fit in the restraint system.

Its been discussed to death here and elsewhere that it really doesn't increase the safety of the ride (i.e. the ride is no more safe now than it was with belts 4 inches longer). However whining about it isn't going to change anything.

I'm not even going to comment on your triple-post...

But I will reply to your 'challenge' to prove your opinion on handicapped people riding coasters wrong. If it was really unsafe, do you think they'd allow it? You may wish to read Jugga's post above mine. The event you are trying to argue your point with isn't even valid.
Besides, the person probably had someone there, be it a friend or relative, to assist them and keep an eye out for them.

By your logic, you shouldn't be allowed to even touch a cotton candy because of your "curvacious" body.

*** Edited 10/23/2006 8:13:05 PM UTC by kirk06*** *** Edited 10/23/2006 8:13:18 PM UTC by kirk06***

^ That's harsh. I mean really harsh.

(but at the same time its really funny)

I am also upset about the comment about the physically handicapped person. Those people are hardly ever negative about life. As a previous employee at CP, I had never had a problem with those guests. They accept their time stamp (the ride op adds the appropriate time to their special access book if the guest requests a front seat) and go about their day and have a great time.

At least the Raptor ride-op attemped to assist you with your harness because as of 2000, ride-ops on Raptor were no longer allowed to assist a guest with their harnesses.

Hell, I'm not even going for harsh or funny...I'm just trying to go for truth. And the truth of the matter is, if you are going to use the logic and generalize that everyone with a disability should not be able to ride a coaster, then someone else could generalize and tell everyone out there with a "bigger tush than a supermodel" they shouldn't be allowed to eat any junk food.

Gee, Tilt-a-Whirlgirl, I think I remember you saying "Either there is zero discrimination or everyone is open game. Period."

I saw this post this morning and thought "Uh oh, here comes the flames"

Lose some weight. If I can do it, you can. Stick to an exercise schedule and just do it. Don't cheat yourself.

Not saying who is right or wrong. Just an FYI though, the newer rides, (millie and on) have queues designed to accomodate wheelchairs, per the Americans with Dissabilities Act. When I worked at the park. This is where the special access passes become 'unfair'. Individuals can get a wait time for a ride with a long line, then put their handicapped access passes out of site, and physically wait in line while their special access passes are pending for other rides.

While I have no problem with individuals who are able to consent to riding a ride doing so, this loophole can be frustrating when abused.

Does the pass just work with the coasters and bigger flats? So if someone was "in line" for Millennium, they could still go ride scrambler without worrying about the pass?

And besides, its only people who want to cheat the system that look for loopholes and exploit them.

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Yes, some people do cheat the special access system. However, the overwhelming majority do not and are, instead, grateful for and respectful of the system CP has in place. Just as how there are always a few line jumpers that don't get caught, those SA cheaters are similar to the line jumpers. But that doesn't mean that the special access system is poorly designed.

I hate how all you people come on here who can ride Millennium Force and tear anyone that can't ride to crap because they don't fit... I think you people need to shut up because its not nice... your only saying what your saying because you can fit... I fit perfectly on TTD without any problems and they are suppose to be the same length as MF's seatbelts... but they aren't MF has different lengths which is all messed up and needs fixed. Hopefully for the better to have more people fit.

To the girl who started this thread:

I sympathize with the seatbelt situation on MF, but Raptor??? You are extremely insensitive with the comments you made, so you're gonna get one right back. If you can't fit on Raptor, you are exceptional size. That's one of the most accomodating coasters in the park.

I kinda wish they'd use TTD seats on Millennium. It's seats are deeper and they have a better "stadium viewing" set up than Millennium's.

I can understand your frustration, but those comments were uncalled for.

DRose said:
Raptor...Accomodating...etc...

I remember reading somewhere that the maximum chest size for a B&M with OTSRs is 52". That's very accomodating by anyone's standards, to be quite honest.

Yeah, if you are the kind that you can't even ride the B&M's of the park, that's kinda a sign of something. They are much more giving that any Intamin, in recent days at least.

Her comments were utterly uncalled for. CP knows, for the most part, as well as the person's medical phsyician, what they are capable of. They wouldn't just put someone on a ride without being sure that they are capable, if approached.

I hate when people use irrelevant things to try to prove their points, it demonstrates an extreme lack of competence and logic. Yes, your "logic" comment comes back at you. Also annoying is when people use reasons against their case as reasons why they are right and the opposing is false.

I feel that CP is a very responsible park...safety is a great concern for them. I live in Orlando now and as most of you know, there have been more deaths in the past 5 years at Disney than CP has ever experienced. I say keep the rides as they are and CP will always be a safe place to enjoy thrills. BTW, I am a larger guy, and I have experienced being booted from rides because of my chest size...but I rather be safe than dead!

Either you going to have to go annerexic or lose some weight! It really isn't that hard to lose weight.

topthrilldragster4lyf said:
Her comments were utterly uncalled for. CP knows, for the most part, as well as the person's medical physician, what they are capable of. They wouldn't just put someone on a ride without being sure that they are capable, if approached.

Actually that is not true, it says in all the paperwork about the special access, as well as being told to the employees, that it is not up to the park to decide if you are capable to ride safely or not, it is up the person trying to ride to know if they have a disability that will prevent them from riding safely.

I will say that I agree completely with what the original poster said above, if a person has a disability that can cause them to not be able to ride safely then why should they be able to ride.

Lets keep flaming her!!!111

^^ And what's to say that riders condition would preclude them from riding. She made an assumption about their condition based on them being in a wheel chair and getting to the front of the line.

Secondly, properly designed and used restraints will keep even an unconcious person in the seat.

I wonder how fat you'd have to be before they wouldn't let you on the train?