MF great ride; dosnt live up to hype

Okay, back on topic: Millennium Force has had it's glory days. I think CP needs to create some type of promotion to recreate MF's rep.

I don't think MF's rep has deteriorated, except to those who ride it a lot during the season.

Let me just start by saying that I think many people who have commented in this thread are unnecessarily rude to each other.

I personally think that Millennium Force is one of the best coasters in the world and I don't really ever get tired of it. Although Cedar Point is one of the best parks out there according to most people, there are also plenty of other good parks and coasters. I visited Six Flags Darien Lake over the summer. Superman: Ride of Steel rivals Magnum in my opinion. Can't say much at all about the park as a whole though. So I would have to agree with some of the people who say you need to get out to some other parks if you think Cedar Point is the only good park out there.

TTD4Life said:
1. I fail to see what you mean by "big picture." Your idiotic post means just about nothing to me besides someone trying to prove a point which has no application to what my personal opinion is or to what i'm trying to say.

2. You had the chance and your little wolverines didn't do it. Quit crying and go get killed by USC.

Based on those two comments, I believe you came straight out of the Cleveland.com Buckeye forum. Your lack of punctuation, capitalization, and general logic are clear indications.
*** Edited 12/6/2006 2:48:19 AM UTC by ramboozle***

Punctuation... hmm, either you graduated in 2nd grade, or seriously can't read, I fail to see any punctuational errors in my post.

Capitalization... wait, wait.. oOo again, I see no errors.

General Logic... besides the slight run-on and use of "go get killed by USC", my logic is quite clear. I actually had my dad read it, who understood it quite clearly.

I guess i'll break this down again, so maybe, MAYBE, you can make some sort of effort in ur rebuttle.

1. First and foremost, I am a coaster fan. Being a Buckeyes fan comes about 4th on my list. So, before you try and insult me with your obviously lack of intelligence, do a backround check.

2. Had it been up to me, it would be OSU vs Michigan, JUST so we could shut up all you poser scUM fans once and for all.

3. I'll be waiting.. hunny.

BUT, going back on topic.. Jethro, I agree. But, when people argue, sometimes it gets a bit heated (look above) but sometimes people need a good talking to before they understand someones side of a story. Next time, i'll chill out.

As for MF's rep... maybe a good paint job could attract a little more attention, spruce up the feel of the ride.
*** Edited 12/6/2006 5:21:44 AM UTC by TTD4Life***

TTD4Life said:
Punctuation... hmm, either you graduated in 2nd grade, or seriously can't read, I fail to see any punctuational errors in my post.

Capitalization... wait, wait.. oOo again, I see no errors.

Wow. Just go back and read your posts. All of them. It's a general trend that you seem to have.

TTD4Life said:
2. Had it been up to me, it would be OSU vs Michigan, JUST so we could shut up all you poser scUM fans once and for all.

It's cool that we have a rivalry going here, but why do you got to be like that? Keep it in good taste, it'll make it so much easier to respect your posts.

Look. Let me lay it out for you in black and white. If you think CP is only a decent park, and the best coasters at CP aren't that great, then you will be severely disappointed any where you go (except maybe Holiday World, those three woodies look awesome). *** Edited 12/6/2006 1:43:40 PM UTC by ramboozle***

^Thats the point i'm getting at. Lets break it down, just for the sake of it, of CP's best rides..

MF: S:RoS (SFNE), EGF

TTD: Screw KK :).. but I bet Storm Runner, Speed Monster, and quite a few other accels beat it out.

Raptor: Alpie, Nemesis, Montu

XL200: El Toro, Voyage, Nitro (in terms of airtime machines)

And those rides are off the top of my head. I'm willing to bet many more rides are better then most of CP's. The fact that most people think they are THAT good is whats wrong. They aren't! Many other places have amazing rides (SFGAdv, SFMM). JUST because CP rides aren't that good doesn't mean other places don't have great rides.

Have you rode any of the other rides that you listed? If not, you're just going by here-say.

To refute you based on general consensus and the Golden Tickets, as I have not rode any of the other coasters myself,

MF: S:RoS looks like an amazing coaster, probably a better overall coaster than MF. I'm not sure what EGF is.

TTD: I don't think TTD can be compared to Accelerators. Accelerators are much smaller and therefore much cheaper, so parks can afford to include an intricate layout.

Raptor: Raptor preceded all of the inverts you listed, and I believe Raptor is still the second highest rated inverted coaster according to Amusement Today. That's saying a lot. I still think Raptor is one of the most intense coasters I've ever rode.

Magnum: Once again, Magnum preceded ALL hypercoasters, and it is still considered one of the greatest coasters ever. The experience you get on that ride is unmatched, and the view it provides especially over the second hill is simply amazing. Oh, and how do you compare a woodie to a steel coaster?

I'm not saying CP's rides are the best, but they are AMONG the best. Also, CP takes it upon themselves to come out with fascinating new things that have never been seen before at other parks. Then other parks use CP's ideas. Although CP's rides may be losing their luster in your mind, there are things that as a coaster fan you have to respect, and these are the things that raise CP's coasters over the rest.

Since this thread deals specifically with MF, let's talk about MF. What about it is lacking now that you've rode it so many times? I've rode it about 20 times and I still think it's as good as it ever was.

Hmm.. the drop... hardly fun anymore. It goes by too fast, and after riding TTD enough, its height just isn't felt.

The speed.. see TTD..

The airtime.. or lack of.

The length.. could have done so much more, but failed to do so.

S:RoS for example, has all of the above, besides the huge drop. I personally think that Magnum has a better drop then MF. The sensation of airtime is soo much better.

MF just gets dull. Its a two trick pony, drop and speed... both of which outdone by TTD. I've ridden it 35 times, and if I ever see it over a 30 minute wait, I don't even waste my time.

Try not to go by the BS Golden Ticket awards. This is probebly the only site I've ever been on which finds those things so truthful. And, the only reason everyone here does is because its gives CP such high accolades, most of which is not deserved.

I will be riding almost all of those this upcoming summer, so it will validate my feelings even more.

btw.. for those previous rides I mentioned in comparison.. I know more then quite a few who have ridden them all and who rate everything I noted higher then anything at CP. EGF = Expedition GeForce... which, in most non-CP enthusiasts eyes, is tied with S:RoS for the best ride in the world.

CP takes it upon themselves to come out with fascinating new things that have never been seen before at other parks. Then other parks use CP's ideas. Although CP's rides may be losing their luster in your mind, there are things that as a coaster fan you have to respect, and these are the things that raise CP's coasters over the rest.

Hardly new and facinating things. Lets name them, shall we?

TTD: Yes, its big, but not the first rocket out there. Xcelerator anyone?

MF: Its tall, with a drop. Its Magnum 11 years later basically, but not as good.

Raptor: the *2nd* Inverter, and many feel that the first is much more intense (Nemesis) and most since have owned it. Yes, age plays a factor, but Magnum is still good, as you said.

Wicked Twister: Two twists instead of one? Amazing.

Magnum: Added a few feet, called it a hyper coaster. (And, I notably said 'airtime machines', which The Voyage, El Toro, and Nitro are)

Mantis: Not even close to the first, and has been outdone.

The rest aren't even worthy of mentioning. CP basically takes tried and true ideas, puts them on sterioids, and puts them at CP. Hardly "innovative and facinating" in my eyes.

And what is this I have to respect? The fact that CP has alot of coasters? That they copied ideas and made them bigger and faster? Hardly.

*** Edited 12/6/2006 8:55:17 PM UTC by TTD4Life***

This is getting good!;)

TTD4Life said:
Hmm.. the drop... hardly fun anymore. It goes by too fast, and after riding TTD enough, its height just isn't felt.

I don't think that's valid at all. By saying MF's drop goes by too quickly is saying that the only coasters in the world with good drops are Kingda Ka and Top Thrill Dragster.

TTD4Life said:

Hmm.. the drop... hardly fun anymore. It goes by too fast, and after riding TTD enough, its height just isn't felt.

After riding TTD several times, I still believe Millie's height is 310 ft. That's just me though. You know, there is STILL only one coaster in the US that *lifts* (rather than launch) riders to over 300 ft. I feel that height, and that track on the drop seems to curve underneath itself every time I ride it. My heart's a-flutter just thinking about it.

The speed.. see TTD..

Another MF-TTD comparison. Wow. As far as I remember, MF uses gravity to attain its speed. TTD uses a 10,000 horsepower launch. There's a big difference.

The airtime.. or lack of.

Oh really? Funny story about MF's amazing air over the second and third hill...Whenever I rode Millie with a certain friend of mine, she would grab my arm when we went over the second and third hill EVERY time because she really felt like she was gonna fly out of the seat. It never failed. I love that floater air. I'm shocked you didn't compare this to TTD some how. I mean, if you love airtime so much, then why is TTD your favorite coaster?

The length.. could have done so much more, but failed to do so.

I agree with you here. I really wish CP could have thrown in a few more hills or tighter turns. However, I think the point of Millie was to give the feeling of flight (while sitting upright), and it succeeds in doing that.

MF just gets dull. Its a two trick pony, drop and speed... both of which outdone by TTD.

Kingda Ka outdid TTD with height and speed. Why don't you just make KK your favorite coaster?

Try not to go by the BS Golden Ticket awards. This is probebly the only site I've ever been on which finds those things so truthful. And, the only reason everyone here does is because its gives CP such high accolades, most of which is not deserved.

Ahh, gotta love those grammatical errors. Anyways, Golden Tickets are certainly not BS. The people that are on the voting panels for these awards have rode many, many more coasters than you and I, so I would respect their opinions. Please, show me a neutral coaster fan site that doesn't respect the Golden Tickets.

I will be riding almost all of those this upcoming summer, so it will validate my feelings even more.

You're really gonna go to all these places just to ride the one coaster that highlights that park? That's the thing with CP. Sure there a better coasters of each kind out there, but they're all scattered about the country (heck, the world). You wont find a better variety of coasters and rides anywhere.

EGF = Expedition GeForce... which, in most non-CP enthusiasts eyes, is tied with S:RoS for the best ride in the world.

Oh, so you know all non-CP enthusiasts in this world? That's impressive. Since you can make such sweeping generalizations, why don't you create the TTD4Life awards? That way, all the "non-CP enthusiasts" you know can just tell you what they feel and then you can hand out the awards accordingly. I'm sure since you know the people that are so impartial, your awards will easily replace the Golden Tickets.

Hardly new and facinating things. Lets name them, shall we?

<sigh>... I really hope you're not bringing the other coasters into the picture again... <looks down at rest of TTD4Life's post>... Damn. Here it goes again.

TTD: Not the first rocket coaster, but how about the first coaster to 400 ft? Fastest coaster in the world for a while, yada yada yada. Once again, you can't compare Stratacoasters to Accelerators. TTD's 2800 ft of track cost freaking $25 million. Make it a coaster with a layout like an Accelerator and you're pushing 40 mil. It's just not cost effective.

MF: Magnum and Millie are two COMPLETELY different animals. There still is NOTHING like Millie in the world. Although I will admit, there probably are better coasters out there.

Raptor: My bad on that one. You're right, Raptor did come less than two months after Nemesis. Once again, you're making a sweeping generalization when you say "many." Enough. As for new and innovative, first cobra roll, anybody? Unique design, tallest, fastest invert when it was built, what more could you ask for?

Wicked Twister: Two twists instead of one? Amazing. Yeah, it really is. Twisting up that back spike is so much crazier than just going straight up like on other Impulses.

Magnum: I believe it was more than just a few feet. As far as I recall, the previous record holder was nowhere near 200 ft.

The rest aren't even worthy of mentioning. CP basically takes tried and true ideas, puts them on sterioids, and puts them at CP. Hardly "innovative and facinating" in my eyes.

Clearly all other parks have great coasters, top to bottom. Every single one. Even the kiddie coasters beat out CP's best. Ugh. You young coaster fans are insatiable.

Look, your opinions are your own, they are not of my concern. Everyone feels differently. Its your reasoning that is flawed.

I spent way too much time on this post...

*** Edited 12/7/2006 12:46:23 AM UTC by ramboozle***

Another MF-TTD comparison. Wow. As far as I remember, MF uses gravity to attain its speed. TTD uses a 10,000 horsepower launch. There's a big difference.

Listen. The concept is speed on MF is lost when you ride TTD. Yeah, MF is fast, but when you ride something faster, it kinda looses its luster and fun. It doesn't matter how they reach the speed, its the sensation of speed. TTD has the better sensation, although it lasts for much shorter.

I love that floater air. I'm shocked you didn't compare this to TTD some how. I mean, if you love airtime so much, then why is TTD your favorite coaster?

Who said i'm 'omg' obsessed with airtime? Must have missed that somewhere, I just stated a fact. Airtime, namely ejector airtime, is why people enjoy S:RoS and EGF are over MF in most polls.. both rides have TONS of it, like Magnum for instance. That is also why Maggy is better then MF IMO. As for TTD being my favorite, i'll explain that if necessary, but this is a MF thread, is it not?

Kingda Ka outdid TTD with height and speed. Why don't you just make KK your favorite coaster?

I haven't ridden KK yet. I will this summer when I venture over to SFGAdv, but as far as it being better then TTD, that is a whole different story. We shall see.

Ahh, gotta love those grammatical errors. Anyways, Golden Tickets are certainly not BS. The people that are on the voting panels for these awards have rode many, many more coasters than you and I, so I would respect their opinions. Please, show me a neutral coaster fan site that doesn't respect the Golden Tickets.

If all you have to try to insult me is my 'grammatical errors', you certainly need to get an imagination.

As for respecting their biased opinions, I hardly do. With the results of that poll, it would seem like half the voters came from this site. How some rides make it and some don't is beyond me. Their voting is immensley flawed, and using that poll as basis for how good a ride is needs to stop.. and now.

www.coasterforce.com (who actually have their OWN poll which people vote on... and MF is... #8)

www.rollercoasterpro.com

www.rollercoasterpparadise.com

Shall I go on?

Oh, so you know all non-CP enthusiasts in this world? That's impressive. Since you can make such sweeping generalizations, why don't you create the TTD4Life awards? That way, all the "non-CP enthusiasts" you know can just tell you what they feel and then you can hand out the awards accordingly. I'm sure since you know the people that are so impartial, your awards will easily replace the Golden Tickets.

Excuse me, from the people i've met and talked to. I figured you'd get that, but obviously not.

I'm sure since you know what people that are so impartial

Just like the Golden Tickets? They are HARDLY impartial, as you can see from the results. You want to see a REAL poll? Try the Mitch Hawker polls... MUCH better.

http://www.ushsho.com/bestrollercoasterpoll.htm

Thousands of coaster enthusiasts vote on their favorite rides, something i'd take over the Golden Ticket awards any day of the week.

TTD: Not the first rocket coaster, but how about the first coaster to 400 ft? Fastest coaster in the world for a while, yada yada yada. Once again, you can't compare Stratacoasters to Accelerators. TTD's 2800 ft of track cost freaking $25 million. Make it a coaster with a layout like an Accelerator and you're pushing 40 mil. It's just not cost effective.

If you must... 1) TTD was NOT the first coaster to 400ft, Superman: The Escape at SFMM was first @ 415 ft. That ride is the reason why TTD is such an odd 420ft tall, to take the title from the FORMER height record holder.

And I dont see the problem comparing an Accelerator to another one. They all have a launch, some sort of speed, most have top hats. The only difference is that TTD is tall and fast and lacks the layout that most have.

MF: Magnum and Millie are two COMPLETELY different animals. There still is NOTHING like Millie in the world.

Thats not my point. MF isn't some brand new, innovative concept... its just got a big hill and a drop, with a layout... just as Magnum had 11 years ago. It is a conventional rollercoaster, that goes higher then then most.

Enough. As for new and innovative, first cobra roll, anybody? Unique design, tallest, fastest invert when it was built, what more could you ask for?

Yeah, then.. in 94. Not anymore. Hence, why its not as good as the other inverts now.

Wicked Twister: Two twists instead of one? Amazing. Yeah, it really is. Twisting up that back spike is so much crazier than just going straight up like on other Impulses.

Hardly. They twisted the track instead of kept it strait. Not innovative, not crazy new, just different then the rest, JUST like MF.

Magnum: I believe it was more than just a few feet. As far as I recall, the previous record holder was nowhere near 200 ft.

According to Wikipedia..

it was the first complete circuit roller coaster to break the 200 foot barrier.

Now, technically, Moonsault Scramble at Fuji-Q Highlands in Japan, which opened in 1983, was 246' tall. So, technically, MS was the FIRST rollercoaster to top 200ft. I guess they didn't beat the previous record holder by much did they.

Clearly all other parks have great coasters, top to bottom. Every single one. Even the kiddie coasters beat out CP's best. Ugh. You young coaster fans are insatiable.

Look, your opinions are your own, they are not of my concern. Everyone feels differently. Its your reasoning that is flawed.

Nowhere did I say 'all other parks own CP'.. anywhere, in any post. I simply said, over and over, that CP has good rides, not every ride is god's gift to earth, as most people on here put them up to be.

Making gross generalizations, as you put it, about young people makes YOUR logic flawed. Age isn't an accomplishment and youth is NOT a flaw.

And, one more thing, show me how my reasoning is flawed. From what I can see, you think my reasoning is flawed because I don't agree with you.

Again, i'll be waiting...

*** Edited 12/7/2006 1:48:15 AM UTC by TTD4Life***

TTD4Life said:
Who said i'm 'omg' obsessed with airtime? Must have missed that somewhere, I just stated a fact.

You stated your OPINION. You say Millie lacks in airtime. I disagree. It's purely OPINION. The way you were talking about airtime, it seemed like that was how you rated coasters.

Airtime, namely ejector airtime, is why people enjoy S:RoS and EGF are over MF in most polls.. both rides have TONS of it, like Magnum for instance. That is also why Maggy is better then MF IMO.

More opinion. Nobody can argue opinion.

As for TTD being my favorite, i'll explain that if necessary, but this is a MF thread, is it not?

Aren't you the one that keeps bringing in other CP coasters into the discussion anyways?

If all you have to try to insult me is my 'grammatical errors', you certainly need to get an imagination.

I'm not trying to insult you. A post filled with grammar errors is much harder to read and respect than a properly written post.

As for respecting their biased opinions, I hardly do. With the results of that poll, it would seem like half the voters came from this site. How some rides make it and some don't is beyond me. Their voting is immensley flawed, and using that poll as basis for how good a ride is needs to stop.. and now.

Tell that to coaster nation. Amusement parks flaunt their Golden Tickets where ever they can. I've never seen any park boast about their Mitch Hawkers or Coasterforces or whatever.

Shall I go on?

Oh yes, please do...

Excuse me, from the people i've met and talked to. I figured you'd get that, but obviously not.

No, I did not get that. You were making a broad generalization. You did not specify anybody. Maybe you should do a better job of clarifying.

Just like the Golden Tickets? They are HARDLY impartial, as you can see from the results. You want to see a REAL poll? Try the Mitch Hawker polls... MUCH better.

So the Golden Tickets are fake? I wonder if Cedar Point knows.

If you must... 1) TTD was NOT the first coaster to 400ft, Superman: The Escape at SFMM was first @ 415 ft. That ride is the reason why TTD is such an odd 420ft tall, to take the title from the FORMER height record holder.

Can you really consider S:TE a true roller coaster? I certainly can't. It's basically a juiced version of Demon Drop.

And I dont see the problem comparing an Accelerator to another one. They all have a launch, some sort of speed, most have top hats. The only difference is that TTD is tall and fast and lacks the layout that most have.

I've mentioned this twice in this thread already. I'm not going to do it again. Please go back and re-read my previous posts.

Thats not my point. MF isn't some brand new, innovative concept... its just got a big hill and a drop, with a layout... just as Magnum had 11 years ago. It is a conventional rollercoaster, that goes higher then then most.

Yeah, I think most roller coasters tend to be exactly how you described them: A big hill, a drop, and a layout. Crazy.

Hardly. They twisted the track instead of kept it strait. Not innovative, not crazy new, just different then the rest, JUST like MF.

So tell me, what do you consider innovative or crazy new?

Now, technically, Moonsault Scramble at Fuji-Q Highlands in Japan, which opened in 1983, was 246' tall. So, technically, MS was the FIRST rollercoaster to top 200ft. I guess they didn't beat the previous record holder by much did they.

Oh the technicalities. WTF? Who cares? Just stick to the idea of the argument instead of incessantly bringing in this kind of crap. Well actually, since you have no life and do a great job of finding trivial things like this, tell me what was the tallest *full-circuit* coaster before Magnum, because I really do not know.

Nowhere did I say 'all other parks own CP'.. anywhere, in any post. I simply said, over and over, that CP has good rides, not every ride is god's gift to earth, as most people on here put them up to be.

I don't think there's a logical person on this board that believes CP's coasters are "God's gift to Earth." However, CP does have the best collection of coasters on the planet. Find a way to deny that...

Making gross generalizations, as you put it, about young people makes YOUR logic flawed. Age isn't an accomplishment and youth is NOT a flaw.

Umm... okay?

And, one more thing, show me how my reasoning is flawed. From what I can see, you think my reasoning is flawed because I don't agree with you.

Your logic is flawed because you take others opinions and call them your own. Your logic is flawed because you don't take into account the many factors that make a great coaster what it is. Your logic is flawed because you fail to see the big picture. Your logic is flawed because it seems like you have a selective reading problem because you miss the main points of my posts. I could go on forever, but to what avail? I don't care, I just like the banter.

Again, i'll be waiting...

Why? Do yourself a favor and get a life. *** Edited 12/7/2006 5:55:34 AM UTC by ramboozle***

There are lots of other wonderful parks, and there are certainly a number of parks that are better than Cedar Point in one way or other. On the basis of its wooden coasters, CP doesn't crack the top 5. For terrain-based coasters, Kennywood and Kings Island are clearly superior, since they actually have terrain (and there are a great many others that I'm sure could be added to the list, like Dollywood and SFGA).

As far as its line-up of coasters in their entirety, CP wins, hands down. They have the largest collection (please, no SFMM tirades), the greatest diversity, and the strongest cross-section. Take their top three coasters...arguably, MF, TTD, and Maggie. Is there any park out there that can truly stack up head to head? How about the top five: MF, TTD, Maggie, Raptor, Wicked Twister? The answer remains the same. How about the top eight: MF, TTD, Maggie, Raptor, Wicked Twister, Mantis, Mean Streak, Gemini. Still no comparison.

The only way you can say some other park has better (or even equal) coasters to CP is to pick the best coaster in the each park. Granted, SRoS compares pretty well with MF. But the park-to-park comparison ends there.

I love a great many parks. Kennywood has an amazing, albeit smaller, collection. I especially love small, out of the way, classic places like Conneaut Lake and Idlewild. But after logging 133 coasters at more than 30 parks, I still say the Point is the best. All opinions are equal, but those opinions that are more informed are more equal than others. ;)

Well said!

You stated your OPINION. You say Millie lacks in airtime. I disagree. It's purely OPINION. The way you were talking about airtime, it seemed like that was how you rated coasters.

Hardly. I said MF lacked airtime, which is true. I know quite a few people who agree. But, just because I say my opinion, as you say, that doesn't mean I rate every single ride on a single factor.

Aren't you the one that keeps bringing in other CP coasters into the discussion anyways?

You keep responding, thats not my fault. I started it way back when, and you keep attempting rebuttle, but fail miserably everytime. But, AS I SAID...

As for TTD being my favorite, i'll explain that if necessary, but this is a MF thread, is it not?

You done yet?

I'm not trying to insult you. A post filled with grammar errors is much harder to read and respect than a properly written post.

Filled? As if every line is just unreadable? Hardly. It would seem that your trying to point out extremely small details that aren't relevant to our conversation, in an attempt to insult my posting style... which seems fine enough for you.. as you keep on reading it.

Tell that to coaster nation. Amusement parks flaunt their Golden Tickets where ever they can. I've never seen any park boast about their Mitch Hawkers or Coasterforces or whatever.

Exactly my point. Stupid CP fans take these things so seriously. WHY? Just because some organization which is obviously NOT impartial, says that is the final poll? The coaster nation, which is MUCH bigger then narrow minded CP fans, votes in much better polls then the GT's.

Applying this to the real world.. I'd take a vote of the nation's population over a vote from Congress ANY day of the week.. and any person with some intelligence would to.

So the Golden Tickets are fake? I wonder if Cedar Point knows.

No where did I say they were fake. Nowhere. Look above for my opinion.

Can you really consider S:TE a true roller coaster? I certainly can't. It's basically a juiced version of Demon Drop.

Thats YOUR opinion. Can't argue against opinion.

So tell me, what do you consider innovative or crazy new?

X, Xcelerator, Eurofighters, Rockin Rollercoaster, Expedition Everest, floorless, the FIRST invert... anything NEVER seen before, in any form, anywhere. Adding a few feet, few mph, different element, isn't.

Oh the technicalities. WTF? Who cares? Just stick to the idea of the argument instead of incessantly bringing in this kind of crap. Well actually, since you have no life and do a great job of finding trivial things like this, tell me what was the tallest *full-circuit* coaster before Magnum, because I really do not know.

It seems as if YOU were the one argueing for Magnums case, and I simply added my response. But, my response isn't valid because I'm responding to you? Hardly. I allow you to respond to me, but it would seem anytime I try to go back against you, you downplay my response as wrong and not even acknowledge it. Pityful really.

I have no life? HA. Your the tard that keeps responding, and at 1am. I do this between classes to keep me amused. Thanks for the fun.

I hardly find trivial things, I find facts in the real world and apply them to our conversation. But, if Moonsault isn't true... then I guess no Impulse coaster has a real height because.. omg, it doesn't have a full circuit? Once again, YOUR reasoning is whats flawed.

As for the tallest before Magnum, its obviously Moonsault Scramble. I guess you missed my post before.

I don't think there's a logical person on this board that believes CP's coasters are "God's gift to Earth." However, CP does have the best collection of coasters on the planet. Find a way to deny that...

Two parks. SFMM and SFGAdv. Simple.

Your logic is flawed because you take others opinions and call them your own. Your logic is flawed because you don't take into account the many factors that make a great coaster what it is. Your logic is flawed because you fail to see the big picture. Your logic is flawed because it seems like you have a selective reading problem because you miss the main points of my posts. I could go on forever, but to what avail? I don't care, I just like the banter.

1. Name me an opinion which I took from other people and use as my own?

2. I definitley do take into account what makes a coaster great. I've ridden every damn piece of metal at CP, same as you. Just because I don't like them as much as you or same the same affection does NOT mean my logic is flawed.

3. What would be this big picture i'm missing? It would seem YOU can't release yourself from your narrow-minded CP fanboy universe and see the REAL picture.

4. I see every point of each of your posts, most of which are flawed. You attempt rebuttle at things I put to rest long before. You take my opinions and downplay them as wrong. You assume, just because I don't think the same as the normal idiot CP fanboy, that everything I believe is stupid. But please, go on.

Why? Do yourself a favor and get a life.

As should you. I have a life buddy. I got practice in half an hour, I have to work tonight, I have homework to do, and I have classes tomorrow morning. I hardly see where my life doesn't begin. When you begin your life, be sure to alert the world.

As far as its line-up of coasters in their entirety, CP wins, hands down. They have the largest collection (please, no SFMM tirades), the greatest diversity, and the strongest cross-section. Take their top three coasters...arguably, MF, TTD, and Maggie. Is there any park out there that can truly stack up head to head? How about the top five: MF, TTD, Maggie, Raptor, Wicked Twister? The answer remains the same. How about the top eight: MF, TTD, Maggie, Raptor, Wicked Twister, Mantis, Mean Streak, Gemini. Still no comparison.

Before I start, I just want to point out.. I love CP, huge fan, and this is friendly.. just for fun.

Technically not the largest.. yet. Still #2 until Maverick carries its riders.

Diversity goes to SFGAdv. CP has a great selection.. of mostly older, sitdown, non-inverting coasters. SFGAdv has newer, inverting and non-inverting rides. Just look at the inversion count, and you can see CP is clearly lacking. Yes, Maverick adds three.. but we are still behind, making diversity less then you say.

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Just to stay on this GAdv role.. Top Three rides... El Toro, KK, and Nitro. El Toro is most likely the best woodie in the world, with (from reviews, personal friends opinions, and on-ride POVs) more airtime then Maggy .. KK is bigger and taller then TTD .. and Nitro. while not being as tall or fast as MF, destroys it in airtime (i'd give these two as even, IMO). It would seem as SOMEWHERE compares ;)

Top 5? SFGadv once more.. KK, ET, Nitro, Medusa, S:UF. We've covered the first three, Medusa is the first floorless ever.. which, if anyone has ridden, is an amazing ride (try Dominator), and is something which i'd ride over WT anyday. S:UF is a flyer, something CP is lacking... and needs (like a good woodie.. PLEASE!!). Raptor vs S:UF... while being two different types of rides, still compares. Both give a flying sensation, both have immense speed and g forces, and both are good rides (even.. again)

I guess the rides at CP definitley have a comparision after all.

wow!! so millennium is #8 in the world at coasterforce.com....

well...lets see, i don't understand how you can compare a wooden roller coaster to a steel roller coaster...they are completely different!

so...once you take out all the wooden roller coasters, millennium is what...4?! that is still pretty good if you ask me...honestly...ratings are a joke...who cares what other people think about the ride...if you love it, you love it, if you don't, you don't...get over it...

cedar point is amazing...they have been building the best, tallest fastest roller coasters for a very long time...and don't say that other rides except the three steel roller coasters aren't worth saying...

Gemini is so much fun! Mean Streak is so intense and the structure is amazing! If you want good airtime...corkscrew's second hill is awesome....and woodstock express is the best kiddy coaster ever!!

But my baby raptor...love her so much!! you know...she did come out a little after nemesis, but do you think...they honestly thought...in those 2 months, they came up with the idea and built the ride...how about..NO...

Cedar Point plans very far ahead for their new rides...im sure...right now, they are planning for their next GREAT ride! IF you don't like cedar point...wrong website...let us cedar point people bask in our glory...because as you know...again...CP #1

^^It's definitely fun to debate the finer points of this perennial argument. I'll admit I haven't gotten over to Great Adventure yet (I got within 60 miles of it last year, but couldn't fit it in on my summer trip), so I really can't personally comment on the relative merits of KK versus TTD, Nitro vs MF or Maggie.

But rest assured, you have given me a strong impetus to make sure and do so! ;)