Mean streak is not closing in July

And again, CGI can produce their own world class wooden coaster for Cedar Point elsewhere without the limitations of a bland layout.

Let's estimate because I'm not privy to such information, but would you rather have 2 more world class coasters added to Cedar Point's line up that would total less than the cost of one world class coaster ($10M to RMC MS and $10M for a brand new GCI = 20M < Maverick ($21M) < MF ($25M) = TTD ($25M) < Gakekeeper ($30M)) or would you rather have a reprofiled mess and waste about $5M and still not gain anything from it in terms of marketability and anything new in the coaster line up?

I think we all know which option is better and I think Cedar Point is smart enough to know too and we'll find out soon how smart they are.

I'd estimate they're spending money, not near that much, on the New For 2017 Soak City Expansion. It's already laid out plainly.

Read my post again because no where in there did I mention 2017 specifically. I'm just generally asking the question; two coasters (obviously in separate years, so assume RMC Mean Streak for 2017 and GCI for 2019, sure) for $20M total between the two (could care less what they're spending on Soak City in this hypothetical) or a reprofile of Mean Streak by GCI for a couple of million in 2017?

It makes more sense for Cedar Point to bring in both companies and use each of them for their strength. RMC to rebuild busted coasters and GCI to build custom woodies (not saying RMC can't build custom woodies)

On another note: there's no reason why they can't do both the Soak City revamp and RMC Mean Streak in the same year. New management has shown that they're not scared investing lots of money annually on Cedar Point, and on multiple projects. And Soak City is a separate park with its own revenue stream and should have its own expenditure budget. My guess is we'll see a small increase in Soak City's gate price next year to pay for the expansion.

A full blown RMC MS redo would cost well over $10M.. Well over.

I am a little tired of hearing the phrase "world class" when it comes to Cedar Point and building coasters. Not sure why it grinds my gears, but it does. No one builds a dud of a ride on purpose, occasionally it does happen. I just feel the phrase is overused and is used without much thought.

I still think no one has anyone to blame but themselves for any dissapointments regarding what does or doesn't happen with Mean Streak in the next few years. Cedar Point has teased and advertised absolutely nothing - the survey markers are there for a reason, we just don't know what. They don't owe it to us to tell us either.

If a media source decides to use a fan forum spouting rumors as a news source, that is their fault and I don't feel the least bit sorry for them.

Augustmueller said:
A full blown RMC MS redo would cost well over $10M.. Well over.

I think the only RMC overhaul (not including original designs) to have price figures available is Twisted Colossus at $7 million and that is by far the longest RMC at 4,900 feet of track. So the $10 million isn't that far fetched. And again, I said I'm not privy to that kind of information so I just estimated.

Cartwright said:
I am a little tired of hearing the phrase "world class" when it comes to Cedar Point and building coasters. Not sure why it grinds my gears, but it does. No one builds a dud of a ride on purpose, occasionally it does happen. I just feel the phrase is overused and is used without much thought.

I still think no one has anyone to blame but themselves for any dissapointments regarding what does or doesn't happen with Mean Streak in the next few years. Cedar Point has teased and advertised absolutely nothing - the survey markers are there for a reason, we just don't know what. They don't owe it to us to tell us either.

If a media source decides to use a fan forum spouting rumors as a news source, that is their fault and I don't feel the least bit sorry for them.

Ever see the promo video for Valravn? Cedar Point highlighted their signature coasters. Those are what I meant by world class, and it's my fault I should have said signature. And yes, I 100% agree with you that duds are few and far between, but this management has shown that they'll replace/re-market duds. Disaster Trasport was replaced w/ Gatekeeper and Mantis was transformed and remarketed. Only dud remaining is Mean Streak so it's not hard to believe that it will either be torn down or either company will get their crack at it.

When Mean Streak opened it was "World Class"

Captain Hawkeye said:
When Mean Streak opened it was "World Class"

In 1991, so was Playboy Playmate of the Year Lisa Matthews. Have you seen her now? ;)

Lisa Matthews could use an RMC overhaul...

Cartwright said:

I am a little tired of hearing the phrase "world class" when it comes to Cedar Point and building coasters. Not sure why it grinds my gears, but it does. No one builds a dud of a ride on purpose, occasionally it does happen. I just feel the phrase is overused and is used without much thought.

No one builds a dud on purpose, but not everyone is willing to put in the resources to make a world class coaster. Cedar Point is one of the few parks that is.

I just don't think CP would do anything short of a major overhaul to Mean Streak. Anything less wouldn't be worth it. But, I'm talking about the CP that built Millennium, Dragster, and Maverick. New management has done a great job of sprucing up the park with Gatekeeper, the Gemini midway, and Valravn.

I think its time to see if CP is still capable of doing something innovative and risky. That's where RMC comes in.

$7 million was the figure for the ORIGINAL Colossus in 1978.

That said, I heard NTAG cost about $10 million. Any way you put it, you're talking possibly less than $20 million for what could conceivably be the best steel coaster in the world. It's a steal. Dollar for dollar, I'd say you get MUCH more coaster out of RMC Mean Streak than GCI Mean Streak.

Also, keep in mind GCI has little experience with giant woodies (and no experience renovating other companies' mega-woodies) and no experience with 3-train coasters. RMC has experience with both (NTAG and TC can run 3 trains, Rattler is about the size of MS and NTAG is not much smaller.)

No one builds a dud on purpose, but not everyone is willing to put in the resources to make a world class coaster. Cedar Point is one of the few parks that is.

But that is my point. What makes a coaster "world class" - I feel like this term just gets thrown around. I liked someone above who pointed out Cedar Point has "signature" coasters in their collection like Millennium Force, Maverick, Gatekeeper, Raptor, etc. Going on about how Cedar Point needs to build a "world class coaster" makes no sense to me, because that term doesn't really mean anything.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/world-class

It may not mean anything to you. However, it is a very commonly understood definition. With a clear meaning that denotes what it is being applied to is outstanding in its field/category.

It is clear that certain coasters, in this case, are known around the world by people that are interested in them, as superior or noteworthy.
(I.e. Such as MF having won best steel so many times, TTD for being one of two in the world, Magnum for first to break 200', each of the others that were NOTABLE record breakers. I don't think GK reaches that level.)

Now if enthusiasts are tossing the term around like its a salad from Olive Garden, that's their own problem. I think your concern over the overuse of the term may be because of this.

I think that is it. I get what it means, but I feel like folks are just tossing it around.

Also, to Fat Man Turkey's point, I disagree in thinking that CP needs to "be risky" again, that is not really where the industry is right now. When you do risky, sure you hit a homerun at times, but you also have situations like Dragster where you have years of unreliability. More than ever, parks don't want that anymore and you don't need to do the risky stuff and break the records. Plus, some of the "risky" stuff we saw at Cedar Point like Dragster and Wicked Twister was really just due to Kinzel's ego, which has long departed the park. It's bad business to be risky. It's good business to make solid investments in all aspects of your property, which is what we have seen lately.

To that point however, I don't see an RMC conversion as a risky project for Cedar Point. RMC has already proven themselves as a game changer when it comes to taking middle aged mediocre wooden roller coasters and converting them into great new rides. Should it be done, I'd say it is a relatively safe project for them.

Cartwright said:
I think that is it. I get what it means, but I feel like folks are just tossing it around.

Also, to Fat Man Turkey's point, I disagree in thinking that CP needs to "be risky" again, that is not really where the industry is right now. When you do risky, sure you hit a homerun at times, but you also have situations like Dragster where you have years of unreliability. More than ever, parks don't want that anymore and you don't need to do the risky stuff and break the records. Plus, some of the "risky" stuff we saw at Cedar Point like Dragster and Wicked Twister was really just due to Kinzel's ego, which has long departed the park. It's bad business to be risky. It's good business to make solid investments in all aspects of your property, which is what we have seen lately.

To that point however, I don't see an RMC conversion as a risky project for Cedar Point. RMC has already proven themselves as a game changer when it comes to taking middle aged mediocre wooden roller coasters and converting them into great new rides. Should it be done, I'd say it is a relatively safe project for them.

All the more reason for RMC to come to CP

For those who may have forgotten, the rumor was that the ride would be closing "after" July. So, this isn't really new information.

https://pointbuzz.com/Forums/Topic/mean-streak-19/18#560805

CPGuru said:

...$10M for a brand new GCI...

Where on Earth are you getting that figure? Outside of WT (which would cost over $12 million today), the last coaster to cost less than $20 million was Woodstock Express.