Is shoot the rapids basically the same ride as Snake River Falls?

What the hell are you talking about?

The brand new ride is a walk on. That's the point I am making.What does Kinzel have to do with anything?

Intimadator 305! When I was at Dominion the park was dead and 305 had zero line, walked in sat down. I was talking to an employee about how the lines have been and he pretty much said week days are all like this and weekends about 20 minutes.

Come back often often often! ;)

The point is that you're citing the length of the ride's line as an indicator of failure, based on ONE operating day, when the ride will have thousands of operating days during it's serviceable life. That's hilarious. And, in my opinion, quite Kinzel-like in terms of vision.

Yeah, there's no line right this second for the new water ride when it's in the 70's outside. Who could have predicted THAT?

Not many of us would have guessed the ride would be a walk on in its inaugural week.

And Kinzel is an operations master, known to, at the very least, deliver some state of the art, queue jamming rides...I don't think he would be known for dismissing a ride as a failure because of one operating day. Why don't you stop calling people Kinzelish that disagree with you, it literally makes no sense in this case.

Crazy Horse are you at the park today?

crazy horse said:
They are totaly missing the between 42" and just under 46" crowd,

Those between 42" and 46" don't make a crowd. Most kids only spend one season in that gap.

I disagree Walt, the whole point was to put something in "we can all ride together", instead you've just built another ride. Another ride, that, worst of all, was semi-aimed at the aforementioned "we" but now is only able to be ridden by those that have better things to ride.

For those interested, RideMan wrote an excellent report on the ride on Coasterbuzz.

Notr true.

Last year my daughter hit the 42" mark in augest, this year she is 43.5" tall.

So it's gonna take approx 3 years for her to make the 46" mark at the rate she is growing. Unless she has a growth spurt....crosses fingers.

crazy horse said:
The brand new ride is a walk on.

-- It's well known that the popularity of water rides are affected by weather. That included White Water Landing. (By the way, Maverick doesn't seem to have suffered the "back by Mean Streak" disease that White Water Landing was afflicted with.)

-- No one expects the ridership of a water ride to be high on the park's popular list. That's just the nature of the genre.

-- You're basing the popularity of the ride solely on 60 second refreshes of an over-exposed webcam image. You have no idea what other factors might be in play today.

-- If the ride was a non-soaker and its minimum height was 42", the line would not triple in size.

-- It does not make the ride a failure, no matter how much your very specific situation (i.e., small child seeking thrills beyond her height/age) might otherwise indicate.

^ I agree, to add to that, Crazy Horse probably was looking when the train gates were down and the line was moving on the bridge part. He probably made the assumption that it was unpopular because of that. We don't know how well the ride is doing because we can't see the other part of the queue.

Kyle2154 said:
I disagree Walt, the whole point was to put something in "we can all ride together", instead you've just built another ride. Another ride, that, worst of all, was semi-aimed at the aforementioned "we" but now is only able to be ridden by those that have better things to ride.

As I said before, the ride, on average, accommodates everyone 6 years and up. 42" means it accommodates everyone 5 years and up. Either way, it's a ride the most people can enjoy.

There are 75 freaking rides at Cedar Point with multiple selections for everyone from infant to grandparent. Is it the perfect lineup? Of course not. But then again, you can't make everyone happy. As soon as you try, there will be someone complaining because their grandmother can't enjoy the new awesome ride while holding her 8-month old grandson.

- Delayed 2 weeks to retrofit boats that were damaging the flume

- Delayed 3 weeks to "buy new boats" as newly retrofitted boats were still inadequate

- Opens a month late and still incurs numerous break downs

- Ups height restriction from 42" to 46"

- First tuesday being open, rides like Dragster have 2 hour waits, StR appears to be a walk on.

Yeah, the ride has been far from a failure thus far...

The "failure" in my post was referring to the idea of the ride itself.

But if we judge a ride by how smooth the construction process is and how well it meets deadlines, then I guess Maverick is a failure too.

Walt said:

crazy horse said:
The brand new ride is a walk on.

-- It's well known that the popularity of water rides are affected by weather. That included White Water Landing. (By the way, Maverick doesn't seem to have suffered the "back by Mean Streak" disease that White Water Landing was afflicted with.)

-- No one expects the ridership of a water ride to be high on the park's popular list. That's just the nature of the genre.

-- You're basing the popularity of the ride solely on 60 second refreshes of an over-exposed webcam image. You have no idea what other factors might be in play today.

-- If the ride was a non-soaker and its minimum height was 42", the line would not triple in size.

-- It does not make the ride a failure, no matter how much your very specific situation (i.e., small child seeking thrills beyond her height/age) might otherwise indicate.

1. Because maverick is a major coaster.

2.Wwl still had people riding it, even in the cooler weather. Granted, it was not a long line up, but it still had more riders on a cool day than what the other 2 water rides had. They even closed the other water rides down durring halloweekends, while wwl stayed open

3. I agree that a water ride is not going to be high up on the list, but it's the new attraction this year...you know, the one that is plastered all over every one of there advertisments right now. The fact it's almost a walk on durring a packed day at the park is not a good sign. Will the lines get longer?...Maybe, but I am just pointing out what I am seeing right now.

4. I am basing it on the fact that the park is slammed today, and there is no wait for the new ride. I am looking at the web cam sure, but what differance does that make?

5.Maybe the line would be longer, maybe it woulden't. But it would fill in a void in the park, and add another ride that everyone can ride together. Neither me or you know that, so how would you know the line would not tripple in size?

6. Specific situation? We don't have these issues at most other parks. It's an issue we have at cedar point. We are not trying to get her on rides that are unsafe for her, we are trying to get her on rides that she can ride at other parks but not at cedar point.

Walt said:
The "failure" in my post was referring to the idea of the ride itself.

But if we judge a ride by how smooth the construction process is and how well it meets deadlines, then I guess Maverick is a failure too.

If you're a major coaster you get a lot longer rope than this. When you're going after the thrill seeker it doesn't matter nearly as much if the height restriction goes up.

Pretty much everything has gone wrong with this ride. Open on time? check. Major downtime after opening? check. Tighter restrictions on who can ride it, eliminating the target market? check. Short of the ride falling over not much else could go wrong.

Yeah, PointBuzz was full of understanding fans when Maverick was delayed.

You can't call a ride that was designed to entertain for 20+ years a "failure" because of what happened before and shortly after the ride opened. When all this is worked out, no one will even remember the early issues.

Of course, if this is Shoot the Rapids' last season at Cedar Point, then yes, it's a failure.

Well, according to the anticipointment whining last year, the ride was a failure before construction ever began.

Seems like people have (almost) forgotten Dragster's 'prototype' years of '03 and '04. Yet, it's no longer a failure. A bit unreliable, but not a lemon like it was then.

I think CF views dragster as a failure. Dick himself said it was a big mistake. If they could do it over again it wouldn't be built...sounds like a failure.