Is Mr. Falfas really going back?

Kevinj said:

When are you having dinner with his family next?

I wonder if they'll have pancakes for dinner.

Nowhere do I see CatWoman "pretending to know him on a personal level". Regardless if you believe CatWoman or not, they know what kind of person Falfas is and how he presents himself.

I understand there might not be a place for Falfas in Cedar Fair 2013 as Jeff has said, but apparently CatWoman does and therefore is expressing how wrong he was treated in all of this.

How can we judge a person's character unless we know them on a personal level?

We ALL act differently at work than we do in our personal lives, that's human nature.

If we have a beef with someone, we act differently around them, too.

Only 2 people know what REALLY happened in that ill fated conversation. You can choose who you want to believe.

Here's what I'd do if I was Cedar Fair: Allow Jack to come back and pretend like the resignation/firing argument never happened.

Then fire his ass for insubordination for getting into an argument with Kinzel.

Isn't that what Falfas wants? To pick up his job where he left off? Well, isn't that where he left off? Talking back to his superior?

Just my humble opinion.....I could be wrong. I've been wrong before.

Seems to me the park would be setting itself up for possible sanctions for violating a court order (in addition to damages to Falfas for breach of contract). Court action was to determine whether he quit or was improperly terminated under his contract. The court ruled he didn't quit and was improperly terminated (meaning CF breached his contract). If the park now takes him back and then terminates him on day one for breach of contract, won't they just be thumbing their nose at the court's ruling as the actions of the parties served as the basis for that ruling?

Just a point of clarification. Talking back to a superior is not insubordination. Not following orders is insubordination. You can talk back to your superior without being insubordinate as long as you follow the superiors orders. They may still try to fire you but it couldn't be for insubordination. That is likely what happened in the first place and why the court said Falfas should get his job back.

Apparently we will have to wait a bit longer to find out how many millions of dollars Mr. Falfas will be awarded. Cedar Fair, after losing this battle 3 times prior in court, think they have what it takes to win now in the Ohio Supreme Court .....new lawyers! Ha ha ha ha. Hey Cedar Fair, now YOU are really looking desperate and pathetic. Just pay the man what you owe him. He obviously isn't going away. You can't flick him off like you do with the bugars on your finger. This is really starting to be bad press for Cedar Fair, I really hope this does not affect the unit prices.

Actually, they are doing their job.

Their job is to keep the company from paying out a multi-million dollar award. If they didn't make every appeal possible, they wouldn't be doing their job.

CatWoman said:
...I really hope this does not affect the unit prices.

You really have no idea how business works, do you?

CatWoman said:
Hey Cedar Fair, now YOU are really looking desperate and pathetic.

Wow, Bob, kettle-pot?

The company has a duty to investors to do what it has to avoid paying anything it doesn't have to. It's not an emotional issue for the company, as it clearly is for you.

What is currently going on is here http://pointbuzz.com/Forums/Thread/29606.aspx

JuggaLotus said:
Actually, they are doing their job.

Their job is to keep the company from paying out a multi-million dollar award. If they didn't make every appeal possible, they wouldn't be doing their job.

This is completely off base. Their job is to save the money as much money as possible. At any point during legal proceedings the park can offer a settlement to Falfas. The fact is they already lost a multi-million dollar award. They are wasting much more money with the appeal process on the slim chance they may win an appeal. If they had done their job a long time ago instead of worrying about bruised egos then things would have never gone this far.

This whole case now is more about ego than money. Falfas could easily return to work at the park if some board members would get a reality check and pay the man what he is owed. It would save the investors money in the long run.

The PointGuru said:
They are wasting much more money with the appeal process on the slim chance they may win an appeal.

Since you obviously have the numbers in front of you, exactly how much is the appeal costing CF?

The PointGuru said:
Falfas could easily return to work at the park if some board members would get a reality check and pay the man what he is owed.

And do what? Cut potatoes into french fries? Someone else has "his" job. Do you breach that contract now just to give Jack his spot back?

Which is the conundrum which management is facing. The logical solution is to pay him off what he would have made up until the date he would have retired and call it a day. As far as what the legal expenses are costing Cedar Fair probably not much as I would surmise that the law firm is on a retainer agreement.

I'm sure Catwoman will tell us what Jack would prefer after speaking with his family this evening.

The PointGuru said:
This is completely off base.

You have no idea what the hell you're talking about. You never do.

Falfus returning to his job is not that big of a conundrum as people want to think. He doesn't have to be returned to his same job, just one of equal pay. All the park would have to do is make him co-COO or create some other role for him. That is done all the time in these type of legal situations. Then it is just a matter of reassigning job functions between the 2 COO's or the rest of management. At least if he returned to the park they would get some "work" out of him instead of paying out money to him in a settlement for doing nothing.

I respect Jeff's opinion; but, at least in this situation, over 90% of these types of lawsuits are settled out of court. The fact that this one hasn't shows the continuation of this case has nothing to do with money. It is all ego (from both sides). I guarantee there have been offers that have been made and rejected by both sides. The fact that there is only a very slight chance that the Supreme Court will decide to even hear the case shows the park is not doing it's job and continues to squander investors money. At this point, managements responsibility is to minimize losses. That is not done by continuing to drag a losing battle through the court system. They are not doing their job because egos are in the way. That is not off base.

Jeff said:

CatWoman said:

Wow, Bob, kettle-pot?

Wait - CatWoman is a guy named Bob?

Dressed in black leather.

Yes.

Meow!

The PointGuru said:
The fact that this one hasn't shows the continuation of this case has nothing to do with money. It is all ego (from both sides).

You're still talking out of your ass. It's really growing tiresome.