How much do you get paid?
There is also the program where school groups and other service organizations can work in the fall and get donations to their causes.
The 25% diversity thing was in some employee manual that also said 1 in 4 workers is from a foreign country.
And a simple marketing plan would ensure they could fill every position all summer long if there were no foreigners. Hell i had no clue such a thing existed till 2 weeks before i came. I surely wouldve done it years earlier if i had known...and i live in new york.
i highly doubt they were so hard pressed for employees that they felt the need to go overseas considering there are 300 million people in the US.
It has alot to do with the diversity. Think any of those rednecks will ever come in contact with a person from slovakia or poland again in their lives? probably not. Think a bunch of them went home and said "wow, they had people all the way from russia working there." yes.
maybe this is a very conservative comment, but damn just accept things as they are. They want diversity. no ulterior motives here.
kinda wondering how many applicants never even get hired, 5,000? 10,000? 15,000? more?
hard up for workers...LMAO!
ps... 'talk' of bussing workers up from other states. riiiight, and there is also 'talk' of tearing down cedars to put in a hotel. 'talk' of putting a monorail to a parking lot in downtown sandusky. 'talk' of a 450ft 120 mph coaster. 'talk' of giving an $ raise per hour and a $2 bonus. 'talk' is grand. o wait, grand...yah thats what we're gonna get paid per hour next year. hahah.
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*** This post was edited by magnumjames 12/6/2002 2:03:07 PM ***
It is fairly easy to fill all of the rides jobs, it is the foods, custodial, housekeeping, etc type jobs that American kids don't seem to want to bother with. Think about it, they could flip burgers at home if they wanted to.
They "market" the crap out of their positions. They advertise that they are coming to college campuses, the major papers run stories each year about the number of people it takes to staff the park, they run radio ads.
It used to be that CP would go to a campus like Ohio State and hundreds and hundreds of kids would show up to be interviewed. Now, they are happy if they get 50-100 kids showing up for interviews. Of those, at least 1/4 hear about the pay and write it off.
Now, I will admit that a fringe benefit of being forced to look overseas for help was that they found those kids, overall, to be harder workers and more polite than the American kids.
One other thing, it is FACT, not rumor, that they looked at bussing people from southern states where the unemployment rate was higher.
*** This post was edited by Chief Wahoo 12/6/2002 2:10:23 PM ***
magnumjames said:
And a simple marketing plan would ensure they could fill every position all summer long if there were no foreigners... It has alot to do with the diversity.
Simple marketing plan? You mean besides the recruiting tours and media buys?
They do it because they need the people, period. Recruiting overseas and dealing with the additional administrative costs of hiring foreign workers is not so they can say they have foreign workers, especially since I'd wager to guess that's not a selling point in our current period of flag-waving.
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CP would be lucky if half those people could read and had 10 teeth in the whole lot! VERY BAD IDEA!
And when you engage in the concept of "grey hound therapy", you are supposed to bus the problem people OUT to california or key west, florida! Not bring in a major crime wave/gene pool contaminent contingent!
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there are plenty of people who 'flip burgers' and clean bathrooms for substantially less money (hours and pay) at restaraunts all over the place. Don't tell me that if they knew about CP, they wouldnt highly consider it.
And since you bring it up, dont you think the diversity fosters its own sense of patriotism! All those people from all over the world that *want* to come work in America!
It's about the diversity... the basis on which this country, ideally, runs.
Hard up for workers, especially in the current economic state, HAAAAAAAAAA!!! jokes baby, jokes!
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magnumjames said:
there are plenty of people who 'flip burgers' and clean bathrooms for substantially less money (hours and pay) at restaraunts all over the place. Don't tell me that if they knew about CP, they wouldnt highly consider it.
Obviously they wouldn't, or they wouldn't be flying people all over the world to find people to work in Sandusky, Ohio. My local fast food joints have soccer moms and retired people working during the summer. Why do you suppose that is? Heck, Disney parks and even BGW have the same.
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Its sad that you cant accept something at face value. The foreigners are there because they bring diversity into the park. Are there reasons CP wants their park to be diverse? probably are. In this day and age, is diversity a wise business decision? sure is. And do you think the few bucks they spend sending faxes and information to employment agencies overseas is a tiny disposable business expense they dont even worry about? you betcha.
Maybe you enthusiasts know about the jobs but i guarentee the general public does not. If CP really wanted 100% of the positions to be filled by Americans, trust me...they'd find a way to do so.
Try tackling this one... If it isnt about diversity, wouldnt it be alot easier to recruit in Canada? As far as i can remember, there was only 1 girl from canada. sure, probably a couple i didnt know. Which would pretty much make it 500 to 1 polish. doesnt make too much sense does it ;)
If you want to debate, then debate. If you only want to flame, because your cedarpoint undies are getting ruffled and you think you know all...then do everyone a favor and close this thread.
mwah.
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Brian Noble said:
There have been some interesting articles in the NY Times recently (as in, within the past year) stating that Today's Youth aren't as willing to take the jobs that they have traditionally filled in the past.
In the early 90's the economy was in a recession. There were few jobs available, so people [particularly teens and young adults] started taking whatever they could get. As the economy grew into the later 90’s, there were more higher paying jobs that caused migration from the lower paying jobs. Even though the economy hasn’t been it’s best lately, doesn’t mean that people aren't still pressuring higher paying jobs.
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In the early 90's ...
My experience filling those jobs goes back to the early 80's, thanks. I (and all my friends) worked jobs in the low-end service sector all the time. I was a golf caddy, spun pizza dough, etc. etc. We didn't think of it as the best job we could get, it was just the norm.
Mind you, these were students at the la-de-dah private schools in town, and later, kids living in Palo Alto. We weren't doing this to help feed the family; it was pocket money.
Today, many (not all!) kids look down at jobs at, say, McDonalds, and feel those jobs are beneath them somehow. There is a noticeable cultural shift away from viewing low-end, entry-level jobs as even remotely desirable at any stage of one's working life.
In addition to a general unwillingness to take low-end service jobs, the Times also found that a lower percentage of teenagers generally worked. One reason cited was: when kids (and their parents) belive they have to get A's in all of their classes, 1550 on their SATs, and a list of extracurricular activities as long as your arm to get into Hahvahd, and anything less is failure, then the part-time job is seen as a distraction.
Canada's economy is not that drastically different from our own. There is less economic incentive for a Canadian teen to come down to the States to work. On the other hand, Eastern European economies are still struggling with the concept of a "market". The pittance that CP pays the local kids looks like a fortune in that context.
...Canada...
magnumjames said:
Its sad that you cant accept something at face value. The foreigners are there because they bring diversity into the park.
Face value? What the hell are you talking about? Human resources are among your biggest costs in any company, what possible business decision would encourage them to spend more on recruiting (internationally)? Just to say they did? That's not logical.
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what possible business decision would encourage them to spend more on recruiting (internationally)? Just to say they did? That's not logical.
exactly... its not logical. Its not logical to spend money getting people to come from overseas when you can spend less and get kids from right here at home. Therefore there must be another reason for them wanting to employ foreigners.
btw... canadian minimum wage is $6 canadian and some change. So about $4 american. and thats if youre old enough. dont know what the age limit is tho. That along with the astronomical tax rate (15% gst sales tax plus whatever rediculous amount the wage taxes are because its funding their universal health care) i dont know, call me ignorant, but seems as if a few more than 5 people would find it lucrative enough to head down to the good ol us of a for a fun summer job.... IF they knew about it!
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I asked one if she came to make money and go home 'rich'... she said the extra money is nice, but she came for the experience. Also added that the only things cheaper over there are food and alcohol. whereas cars and clothes cost considerably more, especially taking into account they make much less.
CP is hardly a mecca for eastern europeans looking to cash in on the riches of the west.
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