Good and bad news on the train themeing.

Cedar Po!nt, get rid of some of your repeat posts, and i was under the assumption that Mantis was supposed to be red, yellow, and electric blue from the beginning. if they were going to change the paint job to fit the name, a green, yellow scheme would have worked better...

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"it's like eating in the kitchen of a delightful italian stereotype!"
Dragster: 4 Millennium Force: 43 Trips to CP: 4 Wicked Twister: 14 Dan sightings: 5

Mantis was always that color. Even when it was Banshee. I swear there was just a topic about that too...

And jdubya... you're making one damn big assumption yourself.

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"I can't make a movie or write a song either, but that doesn't mean I'm not entitled to think they suck."
-Jeff

Dragster: 1 Force: 2 Twister: 3 Raptor: 3 Magnum: 4

Yes, there are Velociraptors around Raptor, that would explain the so-called "lost" guests... much like there are snakes in the water at Snake River Falls, and much like there were signs at the turn of the millennium....;)
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"What time does the 10 pm laser show start?"

Josh B said:

Theres no way the back can "weigh the train down". Each train weighs 11,000 lbs, correct? Well an extra 300 lbs is negligable then, it shouldn't affect it at all.

When they are testing the empty trains it certainly can make a difference. They sometimes just barely make it over the top when cold, 300 lbs. of tires in the back can be enough for a roll back.

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Florida may have Disney World and Key West,
but Ohio has Cedar Point and Put-In-Bay.
It's great to live in Ohio!

I saw them go over no problem with full themeing and no one in the train and it cleared it alot better then they do now and i think they went over the top hat faster with the themeing on it.

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Ed Markey is my anti-drug.
Rollercoasters have proven to cause brain damage in stupid politicians.

trips to CP:6 Dragster:2 MFer:6 Magnum: 13 Running with the bulls for a 15 minutes dragster wait, Must be June!

Hey, wasn't th3digitalmind banned a few weeks back?

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...and the most anticipated event of summer 2003 is...

The Matrix: Reloaded!

Pete-

An empty train is 11,000 lbs, a full train is closer to 13,500. So theres a 2,500 lb weight difference, another 300 isn't going to do much as I said. Thats less than a 5% difference in wieght between an empty train with or without the theming, vs a more than a 20% weight difference with it loaded vs unloaded, so again, I don't see your reasoning.

the trains are more around 16,000 LBS i forget the exact measurements but on the "stupid queue wall" was something like 8 tons, that is about 16,000 pounds.

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Ed Markey is my anti-drug.
Rollercoasters have proven to cause brain damage in stupid politicians.

trips to CP:6 Dragster:2 MFer:6 Magnum: 13 Running with the bulls for a 15 minutes dragster wait, Must be June!

5.3 tons empty.

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-Chris Woodard
"If you're standing in an uncomfortable position, that means you are in the right position because you are riding Mantis!" - Mantis ride op doing spiels on closing day.

yes it says 5.3 tons on the queue wall, i dont know where you got the 16,000 lbs from but its not right
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TTD=4(frontseat=1)absoulutely amazingWT=32MIlle=61
MagnumDan sitings this year=6

i hope this ride's theming doesn't go the way of Disaster Transport. back in 1995, that was a cool ride! now, it is a decrepit wasteland (the overhanging baskets in that big room have lots of trash in them). say it isn't so, Cedar Point, say it isn't so...

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"I'm sorry, Timmy, but you need 15 tickets to live..."
Trips to CP: 4 TTD: 4

So, if none of the "extras" were on TTD when it first opened it would have been a decrepit wasteland?
*** This post was edited by Chief Wahoo 6/3/2003 9:02:32 AM ***

What people need to remember is that with an empty train, theres more wait on the back because of the themeing. Its not an issue when the train is loaded with people. Its not like the ride launches at 120 every time either. We have all seen it as low as 117, and at that speed with an empty train, it hardly makes it over when it actually does clear it, especially with the extra weight backloading the train. If the themeing were in the front, it would'nt be as much of a problem, but its not.
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"Wheres the Callahan factory?!?!?"

SteveHockey4 said:
Watch Jurassic park if you dont believe me.

I'm still trying to get my UNIX Box to look just like the UNIX box they supposedly use ;)

Theres a reason we all like the themeing and it isn't because we can tell the difference on our way up... it just looks COOL when you're watching the ride.

Josh B said:
Pete-
An empty train is 11,000 lbs, a full train is closer to 13,500. So theres a 2,500 lb weight difference, another 300 isn't going to do much as I said. Thats less than a 5% difference in wieght between an empty train with or without the theming, vs a more than a 20% weight difference with it loaded vs unloaded, so again, I don't see your reasoning.

Yes, but when the train is empty, the extra weight of the theming pushes the center of gravity back. That could be the deciding factor of the train making it over when it is just crawling at the top when empty and cold. That's the same reason CP makes sure there is more weight in front of all the coasters if the close off a few seats.

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Florida may have Disney World and Key West,
but Ohio has Cedar Point and Put-In-Bay.
It's great to live in Ohio!

Watch Jurassic park if you dont believe me.

Wow, I missed this comment the first time. If you depend on Crichton's fiction (any book) as your reference material for scientific accuracy, you need a lot of help.

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It's not war, famine, or pestilence; it's only downtime.

Pete said:
Josh B said:
Pete-
An empty train is 11,000 lbs, a full train is closer to 13,500. So theres a 2,500 lb weight difference, another 300 isn't going to do much as I said. Thats less than a 5% difference in wieght between an empty train with or without the theming, vs a more than a 20% weight difference with it loaded vs unloaded, so again, I don't see your reasoning.
Yes, but when the train is empty, the extra weight of the theming pushes the center of gravity back. That could be the deciding factor of the train making it over when it is just crawling at the top when empty and cold. That's the same reason CP makes sure there is more weight in front of all the coasters if the close off a few seats.
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Florida may have Disney World and Key West,
but Ohio has Cedar Point and Put-In-Bay.
It's great to live in Ohio!

THen they need to throw a few bricks of steel on the front coach and even out the weight distribution.

Thats what I was saying to the ride-op. I dont think it would be to hard to make that smaller spoiler like thing in the front of the trains a weight would it?

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"Wheres the Callahan factory?!?!?"

Everyone needs to just chill out about this. Cedar Point knows what they are doing. If its going to be safer, then it will probably be better. Nobody actually sees the tires when your on the ride, it will not make the ride any less thrilling. I'm sure it won't change anybody's opinions about TTD.
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MF Laps - 26

I keep seeing people saying "the heavier the train the more likely it is to go over the top". Well, I hate to break it to y'all but that's wrong. Mass has no effect on how high something can go. It's simple conservation of energy. An object going a certain speed will go the same height vertically regardless of mass. Period. It's simple high school physics...

(Sorry, the enginerd in me feels a compusive need to correct physics inaccuracies ;) )

--James
*** This post was edited by jdoty 6/3/2003 11:09:24 PM ***