Geauga Lake letter on Website

CPboy77 said:

Your mom is to fat to ride TTD. said:

CPboy77 said:
Nope, not me. I just come here to post about CP.

Really? It seems like you have post a number of times in this GL topic and by those post you act like you know everything.

:sigh: I'm not even going to answer to that.

Why??? Because you cant.
*** Edited 10/2/2007 5:24:06 PM UTC by Your mom is to fat to ride TTD.***

Um, no I'm not because you are accusing me of causing trouble when YOU'RE the one that started this all! Who's the troll now?

Did I call you a troll? No, and if I was going to call you something it wouldnt be a troll.

#2- Did I say you were causing trouble? No, I was just saying that you posted alot in this thread when you say "I come on here to just post about CP". The only thing I didnt like about your post is you act like your in the board meetings for CF and knew everything was going to happen.

Recess over. Please return to original topic.

I wish the topic was how Walt is 1-3 so far this season. :)

I don't think anyone could have summed this up better than Pete did up a few posts.

JuggaLotus said:
Oh, Pete. Don't you know that they've already decided to operated the water park for 4 years in order to deceive the public. Then they will be shutting it down regardless of its profitability?

That is the single most accurate statement you have ever written on these boards! I am sure you weren't being sarcastic - were you?

Lets all reconvene in four years to see who is right.

If and when the waterpark ever closes - whether it's one year, four years, 10 years, 50 years, or 200 years - you'll say the decision was made in 2007. It's a no-lose situation for you because no logical basis is required.

For what it's worth, Dick Kinzel has invented a weather machine and he will make it rain. I'm not sure when it will rain again in Sandusky, but when it does, I'll be back here to say, "I told you so." I'm sure you guys will counter with some lame meteorological explanation, but it won't matter because I already know the truth.

Seriously, I can understand being devastated about the park closing, but that's no excuse for eliminating common sense. You can't let your emotional reaction get the best of you.

Pete got everything I have to say.

I'm still in shock over the fact that some people aren't thinking logically about the situation. It's almost as if their mother took away their video game and them saying, "THAT'S NOT FAIR!!!"

Welcome to the real world. The place where money runs everything. If money isn't being made, then it's time to look elsewhere.

bholcomb said:
I wish the topic was how Walt is 1-3 so far this season. :)

I don't think anyone could have summed this up better than Pete did up a few posts.

1-3 would be funny if it wasn't for a 2 point loss. (stupid moss)

I agree with Pete too.

Is it safe to assume that Geauga Lake's Water Park side will expand or add some enticing additions for the 2008 season?

^I don't think they will be adding anything.

And Walt, I agree with what you said to Coasterdad.
*** Edited 10/2/2007 10:25:47 PM UTC by CPboy77***

Spit, I let you have a freebie open RB Position. If I had played Edge, I would have beat you by 15.

After reading all of the blog entries and viewing many of the YouTube videos along with tons of photos concerning Geauga Lake's closing, the one observation I can honestly say is that in none of them do I see a crowd of people. Most of the rides are running half empty, and pratically no one is at the concession or game areas. Seriously, I see more activity at a church fair.

No matter who you blame, or claim how much effort could have been spent at Geauga Lake, the bottom line is that (like Boblo and other smaller venues) the park needs to turn a significant profit to maintain itself, add and replace rides, pay the owners, and just stay open.

When you are in the same area as a megapark, competition is going to be tough - even with your siblings. There will always be Kennywood's and Knobels - but ask yourself who is their closest competition?

Let it go guys. Boblo, Chippewa Lake, Idora, they all fell prone to the same economics.

coasterdad said:
That is the single most accurate statement you have ever written on these boards! I am sure you weren't being sarcastic - were you?

Lets all reconvene in four years to see who is right.

Wow, I think you need to do a few less hits of LSD and stick to something you can actually handle.

Of course, thats the fun of conspiracy theories. You can have zero evidence yet still claim that you are right because the big bad business (or government) is "hiding" the "truth" from you.

This:

Walt said:
I'm sure you guys will counter with some lame meteorological explanation...

+ coffee = a ruined keyboard. Thanks. :)

Walt said:
If and when the waterpark ever closes - whether it's one year, four years, 10 years, 50 years, or 200 years - you'll say the decision was made in 2007. It's a no-lose situation for you because no logical basis is required.

For what it's worth, Dick Kinzel has invented a weather machine and he will make it rain. I'm not sure when it will rain again in Sandusky, but when it does, I'll be back here to say, "I told you so." I'm sure you guys will counter with some lame meteorological explanation, but it won't matter because I already know the truth.

Seriously, I can understand being devastated about the park closing, but that's no excuse for eliminating common sense. You can't let your emotional reaction get the best of you.

Well just talking about the meteorlogical side.

A cold front will slowly enter northern ohio on November 13th 2007. It will stall across northern ohio. The stationary front will be situated from St. louis to just north of indianapolis through cleveland to Boston. Surface/Ridge of High pressure will stay anchored just west of the east coast blocking the front.

Shortwaves will develop along the stationary front and move east/northeast along this front. A low level jet will develop and pull in deep gulf moisture. A flood watch will be possible for heavy rain and training of thunderstorms. Expect periods of rain during the day into the evening. The atmosphere will not be capped. Dry slot could develop between shortwaves. Ridge/surface high will develop nice return flow across northern ohio along and south of front. Strong low pressure will develop Friday/Saturday as ridge breaks down and push front east of area. Weak canada high will build in for late weekend.

Since everyone is such an expert and smartass here then how do you explain the total neglect of GL? How does a company expect to attract customers when they only REMOVE rides? The easiest way for Cedar Fair, or anyone for that matter, to justify closing Geauga Lake is to call it a "good business decision." But consider that it is only a "good" decision in the context that Geauga Lake was failing and Cedar Fair needed to liquidate the assets; in other words, it is was not the "only" possible outcome.

Consider what the outcome would have been if Dick hadn't scoffed at the idea of keeping the animals around... Consider the outcome if Cedar Fair gave Geauga Lake the resources it needed to succeed rather than take away the resources that might hurt Cedar Point... Consider the outcome if the Paramount purchase never happened and Dick wasn't backed into a wall...

So yes, what he did might be considered a "good business decision," but it wouldn't be that way if it wasn't for the string of "bad business decisions" that came first.

BTW - thanks Chris

'Total neglect' of GL? Are you kidding? I know almost nothing about the park, but I know that's a load of crap.

coasterdad said:
How does a company expect to attract customers when they only REMOVE rides?

Since Geauga Lake apparently didn't attract that many customers when all these rides were in place anyway, what does their removal matter?

But consider that it is only a "good" decision in the context that Geauga Lake was failing and Cedar Fair needed to liquidate the assets; in other words, it is was not the "only" possible outcome.

What other context would you like me to take it in? I deal with this reality.

Consider what the outcome would have been if Dick hadn't scoffed at the idea of keeping the animals around.

Ok. No one cares about a killer whale not named Shamu. The new waterpark is never built, CF continues to lose money on both sides of the lake and there is nothing left now but a for sale sign.

Consider the outcome if Cedar Fair gave Geauga Lake the resources it needed to succeed rather than take away the resources that might hurt Cedar Point.

What resources? Apparently having rides didn't help (look at Six Flags, they got a 1 maybe 2 year boost from having all these rides) Removing rides didn't help. What did you want them to do?

Consider the outcome if the Paramount purchase never happened and Dick wasn't backed into a wall.

Ok. Cedar Fair skips a great business acquisition so that one poor decision is allowed to continue to flounder.

So yes, what he did might be considered a "good business decision," but it wouldn't be that way if it wasn't for the string of "bad business decisions" that came first.

There was only one bad decision. And it was buying a dying park that had been killed by many problems both in and beyond its control.

I really don't see what you mean by "total neglect" coasterdad. The Geauga Lake I saw looked very nice, with clean midways, freshly painted buildings and nice landscaping. Plus, they had new movies for the simulator, painted Texas Twister, remodeled the Juke Box Cafe, did ride maintenance, added group picnic pavilions and a brand new water park.

Cedar Fair makes every park stand on it's own. Money that Cedar Point has won't go to cap-ex for another park. Geauga Lake didn't bring in the money for a cap-ex ride improvement program.

Keep the animals? Probably would have resulted in more losses. You are forgetting that the income has to be higher than the expenses. It's not a win situation if attendance was higher with the animals but revenue didn't cover expenses.

Downsizing was an attempt to bring costs down in line with revenue. To bad it wasn't enough. But, I think coasterdad is totally wrong in thinking that adding a ride to GL would have saved the park. No way would it have bumped attendance up enough.