Final Stats?

2.7 seconds would not kill you...

on a link that was posted here, the hydraulic system used for the launch can reach 0-120mph in 2.5 seconds, pressing only 2Gs of force on you.

Im wondering how much toilet tissue I will need after I get off of the ride! I know I will need to bring "spare clothing"!
I wouldn't really take those stats as completely true. That was more or less a guess based on the acceleration reached by Xcelerator. 'Dragster' could have more or less, it all depends on the system.

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*** This post was edited by Montu 12/5/2002 7:06:21 PM ***

Ron forget the toilet tissues! Just put on some Depends!! :-)
Based on some of his earlier, (thankfully) deleted posts, I believe TP suits Ron well. I'd reckon it's his media of choice.

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The ride still has a good distance to go to reach 400 feet. Will it actually get that tall?
Look, if Jeff says it will be 400+, it will. I trust him but why can't anyone else?
Sounds good to me! If Jeff says so then it will be. As long as he knows for certain, hey I believe u. I can't wait to ride this massive beast!
*** This post was edited by Coaster Freak 12/7/2002 8:51:03 PM ***
First catwalk= 48' 8" (depending on where you measure it)

Between each catwalk=49'6"

7 catwalks

Top of support= (or should per plan) 47'9"

Track height= .............what? you don't know this one?

You are all getting your 400+ feet!

P.S. It doesn't matter how I know this. So, don't pry!

Another try to figure out final height: Look at this recent photo on VirtualMidway…
http://www.virtualmidway.com/mystery/attraction494.jpg

Looks like the photo is from Battery Park:
Printing it out and scaling it out, I got these numbers:
Assume MF is 300’
In a 2D world #16 would be a relative 350’
In a 2D world M-XL200 would be a relative 166’

Since there is distance and perspective is involved …

Here are the Key numbers for one of you math majors to calculate the actual height: (source USGS)

6.2 miles Battery Park to MF
1320’ MF to #16
1860’ MF to M-XL200


*** This post was edited by late1 12/10/2002 12:18:22 AM ***

I did some math with your numbers and came to the same conclusions that I did before with the horizon analysis: 50-52 feet per level.

But there is something easier that you can do with that photo. You can see both overbanked turns on MI. The one on the left is 100 feet high according to the MF press release. It looks to be the same level as the second catwalk and since it is in front of the tower, each level must be at least 50 feet. I am sticking with my range of 50-52. This should prove that the tower is now at or over 400 feet.

6.2 miles from Battery Park to Millennium Force? Not in a straight line across the bay.

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Lets try this again... I had a major scale miscalculation.

As the crow flies:

Battery Park to MF is actually 1.7 Miles

I did my math just based on the numbers of the distance between MF and Maggie (1860') and MF and #16 (1320'). I assumed that they were in a straight line (it looks close in the photo, but I would like to see an airial photo).

What I did was try to measure the size distortion in the photo between MF and Maggie and use the distances to try to determine what it should be for MF and #16.

In that photo on my screen, MF was 4.625" and Maggie was 2.5". That puts Maggie at 54.1% of MF, but in real life it is 66.1% This means that the photo makes MF 18.2% bigger compaired to Maggie. In other words, if you multipled the photo height of MF by .818 (and get 3.783) and divide that into 2.5 you get 66.1% which ='s 205/310.

Now if all three structures are in a straight line, and late1's numbers are correct, then #16 is 71% of the way from MF to Maggie. (1320/1860) 71% of 18.2% is 12.916% That is how much bigger MF should appear compaired to #16 in that photo.

310/87.1%=355.9'. That is how high #16 should be in the photo where it intersects the top of MF, minus a bit for not being an exact straight line with MF and Maggie. (MF intersects #16 right below the 7th catwalk.)

Now as for that second method I mentioned. That hill in the photo is not the 3rd overbank, it is the 6th hill that comes back off MI. It appears to be the same level as the 3rd 100 foot overbank in both the new video on VM and the beach cam from the other side. It also appears to be level with the second catwalk, so if anyone knows the official height of that hill, it would be useful information.
*** This post was edited by Front Seat Rider 12/12/2002 2:20:17 AM ***

Wow, George Bush would have a heart attack with all that math.

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Great work FSR...

Here is the image I made to calculate the distance.
Check my math...

http://www.late1.com/files/CP-sat2.jpg

It is funny but I got different distances than you but the ratio was the same. Must be the image. I got 1812.6' MF to Maggie and 1287.6' MF to #16. That makes #16 71% of the way from MF to Maggie. Also, that photo shows that it almost a straight line for all 3.

I did some measurements of the pic to determine more precisely how tall the tower is. On my screen, each level of #16 was .668 inches and the top of MF intersects the 7th level at .563 inches or 81.8% of the way up that level. (We are dealing with small measurements so I may be a tad off.) Anyway, since I already concluded that #16 should be 355.9 feet where it intersects with the top of MF, I did the following formula:

6.818X=355.9
x=52.2 feet per level
(That may be a tiny bit high since the three coasters are in almost a straight line but not exact. Also it may be a bit off for imprecise measurements on my screen.)

8X52.2=417.6'

My original estimate of 50-52 feet per level based on the horizon analysis (introduced by Mach1) is about right.

uhh.. so you are guessing an exact height by measuring distances on your computer screen?

are you ok.. in the head i mean?

its 400+ feet.. and you measuring your computer screen is not going to come up with anything but a wrong estimate or insanely lucky guess.


aye.. have fun


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I’m afraid that I am going to have to agree with FSR that the spacing is about 52'. Yes, my estimate of 55' was wrong. I used the pics that Walt posted. I found the spot on MF that is about the same height as Magnum, which is between the 3rd and 4th support towers. If you draw a line on Walt’s first picture from that point to the top of the Magnum. It passes thru the tower just below the 4th level. Adding 3' to Magnum’s 205' height get us 208' to the 4th level, which results in 52' sections. I believe this is a reasonable assumption because all three of those points are basically in a straight line, as shown in the satellite photo posted by late1. However, it appears that the 8th level is a little taller than the other 7. If we use 52' for the first 7 (364') plus 56' to the odd piece and add 6' for the L-shaped and the height of the track at the top, we get the final height of 426'. (Look at the ground level camera and you see that the track is higher than the odd piece.) I think Gibby wins based on his speed estimate.

FSR - you can have the front seat on this one. You'll find me in the back one! Airtime, baby, with a capital A!!!

ed. - I didn't use the pictures to determine an actual dimension. I used the picture to determine relative sizes to justify an estimated dimension. (Just practicing a little fire prevention!)
*** This post was edited by jdubya 12/14/2002 4:00:41 AM ***

I am not sure why anyone would think that you cannot calculate they way I did based on the photos. I was not measuring to see how tall the photo was. We know how high MF and Maggie are in real life. The problem with using them as rulers in the photo is the size distortion due to depth. But we can also measure the rate of distortion when we have 2 "rulers" that are not at the same depth and we know how far all three objects are in relation to each other. It is a lot of work, but not that complicated.

jdubya, I am unclear as to which pic you used. Also, I will enjoy both the front and back on this but I want the front first. I rode the front of Hypersonic and it was so intimidating to be staring directly at a wall of steel that (because of depth perception lol) looked way too close. It will give the launch on the first ride so much more drama. Later I'll check out the air in the back.

Edit-I saved a pic from the ground webcam, enlarged, and measured the 7th and 8th levels and yes, the top level is bigger. You can also tell because the diagonal supports from the two front towers on 8 are not parallel to the ones on 7. Having said that, unless my measurements were a bit high, which they could have been for all the reasons I stated earlier, 420 does sound a bit low. We are so close now though that all we can do is wait for the announcement.
*** This post was edited by Front Seat Rider 12/14/2002 4:37:50 AM ***

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