Fast Lane on Maverick

I agree. I don't mind waiting in a long line if it keeps moving but when they alternate lines, the line is hardly crawling.

Thabto said:
I think the best thing to do on Maverick would be to take a few people from the Fast Lane line and a few from the regular line each time they allow more people into the station. Alternating each line is what is most likely the culprit.

Except from the description of the situation, all that would do is slow down the FL line even more than it already is.

thedevariouseffect said:
Again, get over it

I think you need to get over it. There seems to be a customer satisfaction issue (for both standard and FL queue guests), and there's no harm in discussing it. Don't like the discussion? Don't take part.

Overall, it doesn't made any difference to the overall wait time if they let 50/50 in each time or alternate all from fastlane / all from stand by every other load cycle. The net effect is still the same. Yeah, it might be nicer to move a little each time, but the wait will still be the same.

Sorry I don't like seeing people complain when they are clearly getting a benefit that gorge you a great upper hand...this sense of entitlement crap has to go...

again if he only waited over an hour compared to three...why is he complaining...because one ride he actually had to be a big boy and wait to ride like normal guests..

I can't empathize for someone crying about entitlement. The only reason I like fast passes is that it brings revenue to the park which in turn helps revenue and allows more spending within the park. Other than that I think everyone should wait in the queue just like everyone else, no entitlements except for things like the parent swap, ect.

again, he waited far less than someone who waited the normal queue, that's what fast pass is for, what more can you ask for. the feeling of being entitled to not wait anything more than 20-30 minutes needs to go...

I may be in minority here, considering most seem very bitter to fastlane... Anyway... I feel if I purchase a fastlane pass, especially when they are supposed to be "limited" in sale, that I should not be waiting 45minutes for anything. Especially when they cost what they do. If it was a $10-15 system, whatever... But you practically triple your admission costs... I would expect that I am not waiting 45minutes for a ride. It is what I paid for, not to wait in lines or minimal waits.

I understand rides will get busy at times throughout the day, but 45 minute lines are excessive.

That being said, I have never bought it... But I do feel bad for those who do and have to wait in very long lines. I am not bitter for those who paid to enjoy the system... If I went to a large park and had one day to enjoy all the rides, I would be all over it... That is who it caters to.

Go to Universal and check out their express passes... Minimal waits. It is probably the best implementation of this type of system that I know of even on the most busy of days. I have had the express passes quite a few times and never remember waiting more then 15minutes (and that was abnormal). Disney is terrible in comparison, I don't like it at all... Lines CRAWL at those parks if you did not make it to the time-distribution area quick enough.

Looks like next season Maverick should be added to the "plus" option.

Again...you had to wait a bit...you didn't wait the full time...there's no rule or policy that states fast pass wait times or line length per fast pass line for each ride. All it says is you bypass the regular line, that's it, that's all your paying for, that's all it entitles you to do..

Again this sense of entitlement of not waiting needs to go, when you knocked out the same rides in 1/3rd of the time, which means that your ridership if we used those same few rides all day you would have gotten close to or possibly 9 rides on each ride, however our regular guest would only have about 3 rides on each ride..

Stop complaining and be happy with what you got out of that day because you did get a benefit and it did it's job. If you dont want to wait 45 for maverick or any other rides more than 15-20 minutes, go buy a VIP pass..

I can see why some people may get upset if they still end up waiting over a 1/2 hour with FL, but I have to agree with thedevariouseffect. The way I look at it, you're still getting through the line faster than you normally would. You just gotta make the best of it and think of things positively.

Devarious has gone off the deep end and must have started hanging out with The PointGuru.

Devarious, it is you who is not getting it. He paid for Fastlane. He had an expectation of what he would get, in fact I think his expectation was legitimate based on advertising from CP that I have seen which implies "race to the front of the line" or other such language. Not sure if they still use those exact words, but to save LESS than 50% of the wait time on a major attraction is not what I would expect for the price charged, especially when nearly every other major attraction offers much greater time savings with FL (or FL+).

He paid the price, he experienced the benefit, and as such, his opinion on the value received (or not, in this case) is perfectly valid. I don't want to throw stones, but you sound like one of the many people here who bitch about FL, simply because they can't, or choose not to afford it. It's been discussed a million times, this is how our society works, so it seems that maybe you are the one who needs to "get over it".

I'm not saying I was entitled to anything or wanted anyone to be sorry for me. And yes, I did get on the ride a little quicker, but not as much as I'd hoped it would. The point I was trying to make in this topic is that I believe there is a flaw in Maverick's Fast Lane. I got on MF which had just as many riders much faster. Most of the time in Maverick's line, I was just standing still. If all other rides were the same experience in Fast Lane, then I wouldn't see any reason to make this topic. This being said, I would get Fast Lane again, but I think Maverick's just needs to be handled differently.

MaverickLaunch said:
Devarious has gone off the deep end and must have started hanging out with The PointGuru.

Devarious, it is you who is not getting it. He paid for Fastlane. He had an expectation of what he would get, in fact I think his expectation was legitimate based on advertising from CP that I have seen which implies "race to the front of the line" or other such language. Not sure if they still use those exact words, but to save LESS than 50% of the wait time on a major attraction is not what I would expect for the price charged, especially when nearly every other major attraction offers much greater time savings with FL (or FL+).

He paid the price, he experienced the benefit, and as such, his opinion on the value received (or not, in this case) is perfectly valid. I don't want to throw stones, but you sound like one of the many people here who bitch about FL, simply because they can't, or choose not to afford it. It's been discussed a million times, this is how our society works, so it seems that maybe you are the one who needs to "get over it".

Exactly this.

No I'm not on the deep end...

If you got in line at the same time as a regular guest, and you got through your line in 45 minutes, you could have easily got in line again and rode again by the time that same person got two rides in for their one ride...

One the logo even says, ride more wait less..not not wait at all

Two go to cedar points fast lane pass website, I'll even provide the URL, it states that all this does is allow you to "bypass the regular lines. That is all this allows you to do, and makes no other guarantee, policy, or promise...

https://www.cedarpoint.com/things-to-do/fast-lane

Lastly, guru felt entitled to handouts, vouchers, and coupons, I am the exact opposite so your comparison is very much incorrect....

I don't care about fast lane for the price or whatever, I can afford it easily. I just don't think it should exist because to make a perfectly fair system there shouldn't be any one person above the other, everyone should wait in the queue until it is their time to ride, end of story. However I understand this is a business and this is an easy revenue maker, and I'm OK with cedar fair having revenue because this means enhancements throughout the whole chain...

I'm not OK with people thinking fast lane is there to make rides a walk on or damn near no wait. All it does is say bypass the regular line, which means special queue for all the special people, that's all they do, and that's all that's provided for you.

Enjoy the benefits, don't complain because it did exactly what it said it did with no problems, so what's there to como akin about. Your subjective idea of a fast lane wait time? Give me a break...I've explained time and time again already you waited 1/3rd of what a normal guest waited. You want to complain that you should have waited less? Seriously shut up and move on

I fully agree with Thabto that there is an issue with Fastlane for Maverick. For the amount of money that Fastlane costs, the Fastlane line for Maverick should be shorter than 45 minutes (unless it's a Haloweekends Saturday). Additionally, the Fastlane line slows the standard line considerably. Something needs to be done in the future to limit the number of Fastlane guests in Maverick. Most likely move it to Fastlane +.

thedevariouseffect said:
One the logo even says, ride more wait less..not not wait at all

Two go to cedar points fast lane pass website, I'll even provide the URL, it states that all this does is allow you to "bypass the regular lines. That is all this allows you to do, and makes no other guarantee, policy, or promise...

https://www.cedarpoint.com/things-to-do/fast-lane

Right there on that page, the marketing jargon implies you will "Speed Past the Line" and in the fine print drop-down under Easy Access to Ride Platforms, Fastlane is described as "quick". Those types of statements to me imply more than just "bypassing the regular line". Nobody considers a 45min wait to be speedy or quick!

Rather than Fast Lane Plus, I'd love to see them take a page out of the Six Flags playbook when it comes to the newest/highest demand rides. Offer the base level Fast Lane that gets you unlimited access to everything except the most in demand rides (in this case, Maverick, Dragster, and probably Gatekeeper). Then if you want the high demand rides, it's $10 per ride on top of the cost of the basic Fast Lane.

If you want to ride Maverick 10 times in a day that's fine, but you'll pay $100 + the base cost of Fast Lane. If you want just one ride on Maverick and Dragster, it's $20, which is in line with the $15 they currently charge for Plus. Seems like that's the best way to let everybody win in this situation.

thedevariouseffect said:
I just don't think it should exist because to make a perfectly fair system there shouldn't be any one person above the other...

That's nonsense. In order to create a truly "fair" system, Cedar Point would not exist at all. Because, after all, those who can afford a trip to CP are "above" those who cannot.

When someone purchases a product, they are reasonably entitled to expect a certain amount of value. In this case, some guests are questioning that value. That's not unreasonable, even if you don't like it.

Seriously shut up and move on

Perhaps you should take your own advice. :)

I think everyone gets that you think Thabto is not entitled to question the value of FL. Others disagree. Your opinion is thoroughly noted, so shut up and move on. ;)

Quite frankly, if the Fastlane lines really are 45 minutes, they are selling too many of the things and need to consider raising the price again. These kinds of systems only work for all involved when the people buying them feel they got a good value (sounds like that's not the case here) and the people not buying them don't feel like they are standing in line and not moving.

I am not sure how any of the Fastlane queues are even long enough to result in a 45 minute wait unless there is some sort of downtime in the middle of the wait or they simply aren't letting enough people from the Fastlane line into the station. Something doesn't sound right, but by this point in the season, they really should have it down to a science and know the ratios pretty well.

I think part of the problem with the tiers is that they have a ride in the top tier in Gatekeeper that can handle the crowds (1700 per hour), but the best rides in the lower tier (Maverick and MF) simply don't have great capacity (probably 1200 per hour or so at most).

Rihard 2000 said:

Fastlane is described as "quick". Those types of statements to me imply more than just "bypassing the regular line". Nobody considers a 45min wait to be speedy or quick!

It cut the wait time in half...what more do you want, again nothing is stated as to how quick the line will be, and again, there is no min, or max as to how long the fast pass will get you through the line. Again, how much more time do you want to cut down...you already got through the line in half the time, be happy, and move on.

Why do all of you feel so entitled to get on rides in 10-20 minutes because you bought a pass that only told you that you get put in a different line and bypass the regular line.

If I bought a fast pass, and used it, and I got through the ride in half the time, hell that's a steal right there, no complaints or gripes. For those that say the cost of the fast pass, you SHOULD have a 10-20 minute wait, that's the whole point. Is that extra bit of cash you throw down worth getting on more rides in the day. I think getting those rides in 1/3rd of the time someone without a fast pass had to do to go through them, that's a steal. The only thing better is a VIP pass. Complaining because you waited 45 minutes when someone waited an hour and a half is pretty lame.

Get rid of the entitlement, enjoy the perk you clearly got, and move on damnit. You all sould like stuck up snobs that have to have it all your way and everything right and perfect. Just enjoy the park and enjoy what you bought because it did it's job quite well

But that's only your opinion. The OP has his opinion, and the rest of us have ours. Since the OP actually purchased the product and you have not, I would say his opinion is a little more meaningful to me, as I consider whether to purchase FL on an upcoming trip to CW or other CF parks.

None of your posts in the past have struck me as over the top, which is why I accused you of going off the deep end, above. Your responses here seem out of character. Maybe just agree to disagree with the OP and let the thread play itself out?

MDOmnis said:
Quite frankly, if the Fastlane lines really are 45 minutes, they are selling too many of the things and need to consider raising the price again.

I think the quantity sold is absolutely the issue, and agree that either raising the price for FL or moving Maverick to FLP is the obvious solution. I'm quite surprised they haven't raised the price already.

...by this point in the season, they really should have it down to a science and know the ratios pretty well.

While I tend to agree, it's worth noting that July and August are very different animals than May and June, in terms of crowds. So in a sense, they're only a couple weeks into the heart of the "busy season" at this point. They've shown that they're paying attention, and making adjustments as necessary.

I do wonder if the reason they haven't moved Maverick to FLP is because they can't, due to allowing guests to purchase FL/FLP passes in advance. A Maverick fan purchasing a FL pass back in May would be pretty upset upon arriving in August to find that they cannot use FL on their favorite ride. If that's the case, it seems they should just raise the price until they can get things properly sorted for 2014.

I have a problem with people that feel entitled to something more when it gave them what it said it would...same as back with pointguru, his feeling of entitlement was the same way, just irritating.