Dueling Coaster?

Intamin owns the patent... they don't have to have invented it...(i know b/c it was cited for the wingwalker train)... and yes it is my personal beleif as well that this roller coaster will not be dueling.

*** Edited 7/27/2006 8:53:36 PM UTC by Serenity***

HAHA fastball.

Serenity, show me where it says that Intamin owns the patent, and I might believe you.

lol.

http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=WO0108769&F=0&QPN=WO0108769

^ this patent cites the previous document i posted to add to their claims. It claims both the wingwalker (type, doesn't state "wingwalker") train as well as a suspended wing walker version. What I have found is that B&M submits claims under their company name while Intamin never submits claims under their company but individuals, so it's a bit harder to find...

In addition I would like to aplogize, it might not be an Intamin device afterall... But with the cited document above I would suppose they either own these patents now, or they should expect a law suit.

(And if you're interested, the patent also covers the "wings" of the train being able to articulate in some diagrams, kind of intersting.)
*** Edited 7/27/2006 9:08:57 PM UTC by Serenity***

And incase anyone misunderstood me, I also do not belive the coaster will be dueling. The patent on the other hand, I have no idea. Ask Fastball.

Let's see what my magic 8-ball says. LOL

That is a Setpoint Seizmic coaster. The applicant is Setpoint Engineered Systems. It was previewed at IAAPA in 2000. Setpoint is the company that builds the super soaker saturator coasters.

Patents sometimes cite other pattents to show that while similar, they are not the same thing in order to avoid a lawsuit.
*** Edited 7/27/2006 9:16:40 PM UTC by j2k95sunfire***

Actually, fastball, I have dueling magic 8-balls. So there.

sunfire, you're right. i'm off the soap box.

With all foolish posts of the past set aside, I do find the coaser designs intriguing and think that if it is SetPoint's patent, then Intamin should expect a law suit.

You can build a setpoint seizmic coaster in RCT3

Why should intamin expect a lawsuit? It is nothing like the wingwalker (or whatever they call it) with the exception of the cars hanging off the side of the rails. Intamin's ball coaster has a similar configuration. The main feature of the setpoint ride was that the track could split, Somthing that the wingwalker does not do. The arrow 4th Dimmension is a lot closer to Intamins than the setpoint coaster.

Also I believe any plans to build that ride were scrapped. You can no longer find any info about it on theyre web site.

(PS Im not trying to be mean, I just dont understand your logic of why intamin would be sued)

i think it could be a coaster that launches into a loop. pssh yeah right.

Quite frankly- none of you know what it is going to be- Congrats to the OP who entertained the idea and threw a thought out to everyone here. At times, I myself thought it could be a dueling coaster. Quite frankly, the idiots that want to say what it is or is not with their own 100% assurance- waste time and space. You cannot possibly say it wont be a dueling coaster anymore than you can say it will be.

There could be some people here who know what it is. We can't just jump in and say that no one knows, but I get what you're saying.

I think the whole "well it's this kind of track so its definitely this kind of coaster" this is a bit silly, but hey, what-ev.

Hey! I am with ya! I have also been thinking that this may be a dueler also. the post from T&T on the cedar point blog clues to "put two and two together." and also, "that the path always taken is not necessarily the best." see for yourself.

http://www.cedarpoint.com/public/fun/blog/index.cfm?entry=496e1bc6-987b-4f80-a761-6f0b6b8a68b2

...They sure do mention the number two alot during this blog??? ...Why do they have only two rules???
...Somethin's up with the two's???

It looks as though they are building one track at a time, Maybe to not get track parts mixed up, and also, maybe the other track and parts haven't even arrived yet. But this picture may support my theory. It is of where the belived station is going to sit.

http://h1.ripway.com/zbus12/dueler.JPG
here is the original.
http://h1.ripway.com/zbus12/4521.jpg

...and if it is a dueler the other parts will not arrive till later, after all there still is 9 months of construction ahead. The second track might just be a different color as well, my first guess would be blue. I also think they are going to be launched in opposite directions and be intertwined somehow throughout the ride. This is just a theory, dont blast me too bad. *** Edited 7/28/2006 7:19:45 AM UTC by Zbusta*** *** Edited 7/28/2006 7:36:53 AM UTC by Zbusta***

That's a great point, i like the diagram. I am personally concerned, however, about the length of the ride if it does end up being a dueling coaster confined to the present project area...I am praying for more...

Also, I am doubtful if the beleived station you cited could be the station if it is launched, there is very little room for some types of launches, and the elements on both sides of the station (that are visible, the low angle hill and the banked turn) are very odd elements to start a ride with... There seem to be all sorts of doubts and contradictions found when we finally think we're on the right track. (no pun intended)... Personally i don't even know where the station would go then (unless the elements we see in your pictures, straight section, goes beneath the station...)

Right beside it- his picture has 2 more sets of track to the right- there could be the station- the ones he drew over could be a tunnel through a building- like lightning racer at hersheypark like this picture-

http://www.coastergallery.com/2000/LightningRacer1.jpg

Another possibility is that the other two tracks are the 2nd station, both have their own switch track, hence the 4 tracks.

Yes I see what you are saying it does look like there would be little room for a station in that spot, and yes I do see the other footers that also may be station worthy. so even if this isnt the station, what do you think of the track being built one at at time, afterall it does look like there are always two sets of footers running right next to each other with supports built on just one side and already looking like a track-line.
http://www.pointbuzz.com/gallery/4531.jpg
this picture is from the oppsite side. what can we make of this? only a few more weeks before the announcment, we gotta be on the right track. *** Edited 7/28/2006 1:39:18 PM UTC by Zbusta***

Well I doubt that they will be building the entirely one track at a time, I could see them doing vertical supports one at a time, but they definitely wont be laying track until all vertical supports for both tracks in that area are erected. They definitely dont wont to be squeezing the 2nd track into the first tangled track any more than they have to. Potential for accidents would be too great. Easier to assemble it at the same time once it hits the track portion.

what about this? this pic is whats in front of my so called "station" pic. It was taken before they started putting up the shorty supports.

http://h1.ripway.com/zbus12/project2007mv36.jpg
I also see what Tonymtdew is saying....http://h1.ripway.com/zbus12/4531.jpg
*** Edited 7/28/2006 1:55:52 PM UTC by Zbusta***
*** Edited 7/28/2006 2:09:35 PM UTC by Zbusta***

Zbusta said:
"that the path always taken is not necessarily the best."

The path they always take is going up, up, up. Maybe this is going to be down, down, down on the ground.

i agree with you on that. if you read my earlier post on "new supports give insight to design" you will read that those were my, well not exact, but were my thoughts also.

http://www.pointbuzz.com/cpplace.aspx?mode=thread&TopicID=19076

I also had a much different opinion then as well, so thats the joy of not knowing, is guessing and coming up with ideas with the supplied references, pictures and clues. *** Edited 7/28/2006 4:43:51 PM UTC by Zbusta***