Drug Testing????

If you value your job then simply stop smoking up or whatnot a month or so before you process in and stay clean. If you can't handle that, go directly to rehab as you are weak and needing help.

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I agree with Jeff that it's perfectly legal. I don't understand the argument that you are signing away your rights when you consent to a drug test. I think the company that you work for HAS the right to know if you use illegal substances, especially Cedar Point. Being a ride operator I wouldn't want myself or anyone else running HEAVY MACHINERY under the influence, seeing as they literally have your life in their hands. One "harmless" joint before work could mean disaster for guests just looking to enjoy themselves.

I also think arearew has a valid point, if you value your job, especially ride ops yet again, STOP and STAY CLEAN or get help!

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2003 - Gemini Crew

What's the difference of riding a ride full of pot-head employees and riding the same ride of alcohol-ridden employees? Not a whole lot in my mind.

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MANTIS ROCKS 2002 & 2003

The case brought before the supreme court in 2002 (No. 01-332) states that school districts may drug test because it "reasonably serves the School District's important interest in detecting and preventing drug use among its students" This can be taken in context that it is in Cedar Points "important interest" (safety) to detect and prevent drug use amongst its employees. In this way yes it is valid according to the constitution (in the eyes of the supreme court, our nations highest court) to drug test because it is in the greater interest of society and it doesnt violate the illegal search and seizure amendment that was being challenged.
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Cedar Creek Trading Co. 1999
MF 2002
Sky Ride ATL 2003
*** This post was edited by MF_BDogg 4/24/2003 10:04:24 PM ***

When is the drug testing, when we process in?

-Mikey

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Redbrigade, You do have the right to deny taking a drug test. If you don't want to take the drug test you don't have but if you want to keep your job you will submit to the drug testing. Its not a big deal unless your hiding something and I'm not implying you or anyone in this thread is hiding anything. You have a choice to submit to the drug testing which in my oppinion is fair and legal.

yes drug testing is when we process in. I was just wondering how they went about doing it. i have never tried any illegal substance or anything like that so that is not the worry in my case.

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olympic10086 said:
When is the drug testing, when we process in?

Yeah, after you visit Park Op, they will send you to First Aid which is where you will take it.

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Rip Cord/Screamsters 2003

Well. . .more like, 'leave' it. ;)

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I think costumed characters (ie Snoopy) may have to take a physical too. At least here.

Theres one position at knotts that requires a credit check. I forget where it is though.

Funny thing about my drug test last season. For one I produced too much....for two, I joked with the nurse that it would come up positive for "WalMart and caffeine" :)
She, however did not find that amusing at all although I thought it was pretty funny! :)

Jo
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MF_BDogg said:
The case brought before the supreme court in 2002 (No. 01-332) states that school districts may drug test because it "reasonably serves the School District's important interest in detecting and preventing drug use among its students" This can be taken in context that it is in Cedar Points "important interest" (safety) to detect and prevent drug use amongst its employees. In this way yes it is valid according to the constitution (in the eyes of the supreme court, our nations highest court) to drug test because it is in the greater interest of society and it doesnt violate the illegal search and seizure amendment that was being challenged.
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*** This post was edited by MF_BDogg 4/24/2003 10:04:24 PM ***

Unfortunately you are correct in stating that drug testing is constitutional under certain circumstances. The case that you sighted was Pottawatomie County, Oklahoma v. Earls,122 S.Ct.2559(2002). What you failed to state was that this was a narrow (5-4) decision. Perhaps in another 5 or 10 yrs this type of fascism will be reversed(sorry I just had to say that). Narrow decisions are often reversed as the make up of the court changes(the old Jim Crowe laws come to mind).

The Indiana Court of Appeals ruled that random drug testing policies were unconstitutional under the Indiana Constitution in August 2000.(Linke v. Northwestern Sch.Corp.,734N.E.2d252(Ind.Ct.App.2000).The Indiana Supreme Court reversed this decision the summer of 2002.

Drug testing does appear to decrease drug use...

http://www.sportsafe.com/IN%20survey.PDF

The above study is a simple 4 page analysis that defeats my arguement against drug testing.

Our constitution is the greatest written document(ok besides the bible)created by man. It does not however address every little nook and cranny of human behaviour in a direct manner. Rather it leaves most of the decision making up to the legislative branch of our government. Thus in that manner it does address drug testing.

My argument in this case has failed and I am wrong!

"Fascism?" Uh, OK.

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How is it fascist for a private company to want to know the liabilities that may be in front of them?! I swear there is no argument that works for anti-testing groups with substantial evidence that shows drug testing is a violation of our rights. Not to mention, YOU CONSENT TO IT... geeze, if you don't want a drug test, find a job that doesn't test, but good luck, more and more are testing every day.

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2003 - Gemini Crew

Jeff said:
"Fascism?" Uh, OK.
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Well come on...I said I was wrong in stating that drug testing was unconstitutional. That is different from believing that it is unjust. And I also stated clearly that it was a simple opinion akin to "I dont like rain" ect.

I even stated the case law why I was wrong. I just know that someone here would have done it just to back up their point so why waste time.

So yes I feel that drug testing is plainly wrong however it is constitutional. By the way...Pro Lifers feel that abortion is wrong and it is constitutional...whats the difference? Ok I know I gonna start a hail storm so I will get out my umbrella!

Have fun with the argument Jeff, and I am truly sorry about your little kitty! I have 3 of the little monsters myself!~

Jeff, I fully agree with you, I would never want to get on a plane with a pothead pilot ;) however, being in a show, unless that was affecting my work on the job, i don't think a drug test is necesssary to ensure safety, or quality of work assuming it is compliant with a contract

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LiveEdavid said:
Jeff, I fully agree with you, I would never want to get on a plane with a pothead pilot ;) however, being in a show, unless that was affecting my work on the job, i don't think a drug test is necesssary to ensure safety, or quality of work assuming it is compliant with a contract
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2002 - Hooray For Hollywood: The Sequel

Intellectually I know that your analysis is correct on many levels.

I just dont like drug testing; however because i strive to be intelllectually honest and dont mind admitting that I am wrong on the constitutionaltity of drug testing; I have checked at least 10 cases through the use of the briefs thru gigalaw.com I found that the prevailing thought of the judicial system is not in line with my opinion; therefore I repeat my admission of being flawed in my attempt at a legal anaylisis.

An anaylisis is different than an opinion; kinda like what type of verhicle that one would drive. In other words my opinion is meaningless in my argument and Jeff as well as FUN is correct

By the way try not to do legal research through the use of WESLAW.

As an amature researcher I strive to be honest, I was wrong in this instance. Kudos to Jeff and the rest.

An by the way I am in no way angry at my flawed attempt to support my opinon through legitimate case law.

A true resarcher is non-biased as Jeff will attest too.

I like to think that I am right in all that I say, but darn it I just could not say it honestly.

Heh it's like you are trying to argue, even though no one is arguing.

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