Dinosaurs! >>>Good idea or really bad idea???

YouCEdarMyPoint said:
The amusement industry is not immune from this trend and is fact using it more and more.

Since my head is in the sand, please fill me in on this fact that it is being used more and more. Examples, please.

You already listed numerous examples for me in a previous post. But, if you really want another example Disney is as good as any although it has been doing it for decades. Disney World is 1 park owned by the same company on one of its properties. It started with the Magic Kingdom and expanded to all the other parks. You can buy the Magic Your Way pass or buy admission to each park separately. They are parks within a park. Granted, they don't yet charge for each ride individually; but, it is the same concept. Other parks have copied off of the business leader with different variations for years. Still, no one has answered exactly what are we getting for the price of a general admission ticket and where does it say we won't get less than we do now in the future. Or, if companies make so much money off of charging a flat admission price and then upcharging specific attractions and this is such a good idea, why wouldn't they continue the practice with other or every new attraction.

^^Are you trying to say that Cedar Point will charge separately to get into Frontier Town? Or Kings Island will charge extra to get into River Town?

Because Disney does not charge per ride, they charge by park, and yes they are separate parks.

So, per usual, you don't make sense

So, in your argument that parks are going to start charging for individual attractions, you're going to go with the King of POP admissions?

Ok now I am done too because that last post made absolutely no sense at all.

No, my point is there is nothing that says if management decided they can make more money if they make Frontier Town its own park and upcharge for it, why wouldn't they if it is such a good idea. While you find this idea preposterous it is exactly the same thing they are doing with DA.

^Why wouldn't they have done it by now? That is the point I am making to you. What makes you think that since all of a sudden DA is an up-charge that the park just now discovered up-charging?

Calling the addition to the big wheel a little light "maintenance" is ridiculous, that was a pretty major investment and completely revitalized the look of not only that ride but the whole night skyline of the park, that's infrastructure.

Also just throwing it out there, I live in rhode island now and I've got high school students who have heard of cedar point, we're 13 hours away from the park, and don't have any CF parks nearby and they don't advertise out here. I'd say they're doing a bit better than local/regional park.

YouCEdarMyPoint said:
No, my point is there is nothing that says if management decided they can make more money if they make Frontier Town its own park and upcharge for it, why wouldn't they if it is such a good idea. While you find this idea preposterous it is exactly the same thing they are doing with DA.

They'd never do that because:
A. that's a stupid idea and both they and guests know it would never work, it would drive down admission to both "parks"
B: They'd be losing land and making the park smaller and have two smaller parks that nobody would want to go to.

The area the dinos are on was unused land, there was nothing on it except during halloweekends. The entrance price to the park is as if that land is still empty. DA is licensed through an outside group and once it leaves it will go back to being empty land unless the park decides to develop it.

That seems to make sense to me. Much like the way Johnny Rockets operates and guests who want to partake in their food have to enter and then pay for it. If they weren't there the park would have an empty building they'd have to develop.

99er said:
^Why wouldn't they have done it by now? That is the point I am making to you. What makes you think that since all of a sudden DA is an up-charge that the park just now discovered up-charging?

I'm glad you are at least now starting to use a little common sense and you see my point. The difference now is DA is a separate attraction inside the park geared towards the family demographic. Not coaster enthusiast, not teenagers or college age crowd or or even DINK's, the demographic with the largest amount of disposable income. The park has never done that before either. I'm mearly pointing out the flaw with your arguement is that if they have the success all of you think they will have the only logical next step to generate more revenue is to expand the upcharge to even more select new and popular attractions.

josh88 said:
Calling the addition to the big wheel a little light "maintenance" is ridiculous, that was a pretty major investment and completely revitalized the look of not only that ride but the whole night skyline of the park, that's infrastructure.

I changed a light bulb in my house today. I switched from incandecant to new energy efficient CFL lights. I guess I should have my house re-appraised because of this major new investment.

What is everything else geared towards then? The only thing included in the ticket price are rides, and live entertainment. Games? Arcade? the "family" dryers near the water rides? lockers? There are tons of upcharges all over the park. Look at the games, with the majority of the prizes being stuffed things and toys who, other than families, are they all marketed at? sure everybody plays but the people with kids who see something shiny and stuffed is the main target.

YouCEdarMyPoint said:

josh88 said:
Calling the addition to the big wheel a little light "maintenance" is ridiculous, that was a pretty major investment and completely revitalized the look of not only that ride but the whole night skyline of the park, that's infrastructure.

I changed a light bulb in my house today. I switched from incandecant to new energy efficient CFL lights. I guess I should have my house re-appraised because of this major new investment.

This leads me to believe that you have your light bulb hooked up to a computer program that runs it and causes it to produce a light show in your house and that when you have to do maintenance work on it you have to climb into a giant metal structure to do work on the system.

YouCEdarMyPoint said:

I changed a light bulb in my house today. I switched from incandecant to new energy efficient CFL lights. I guess I should have my house re-appraised because of this major new investment.

Seriously? The amount of money the spent on installing an entirely new lighting package certainly qualifies that as an investment. They did a lot more than change a lightbulb. Were they to try to sell that ride now versus last year, it would certainly be appraised for more than it was worth prior to the upgrade.

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Using reductio ad absurdum to prove a point usually is not the way to win arguments. This may be one of the most ridiculous lines of logic I have ever read on Pointbuzz.

The park has never done that before either.

You do realize that all attractions at Cedar Point used to be POP, right?

Ever play a shooting gallery? Or an arcade game? Ever ride the sky-coaster? Go para-sailing?

I think we all see the flaws...this is, in a way, like a cat playing with a rat before it finally dies. I'll get bored after a few more posts.

josh88 said:

YouCEdarMyPoint said:
No, my point is there is nothing that says if management decided they can make more money if they make Frontier Town its own park and upcharge for it, why wouldn't they if it is such a good idea. While you find this idea preposterous it is exactly the same thing they are doing with DA.

They'd never do that because:
A. that's a stupid idea and both they and guests know it would never work, it would drive down admission to both "parks"
B: They'd be losing land and making the park smaller and have two smaller parks that nobody would want to go to.

Well put, my point exactly. By making DA a separate upcharge attraction it devalues both parks rather than adding value to the park as a whole which is what a new attraction is meant to do. Now you have to see the big picture in a business sense not an 8 year olds mentality. Just because DA doesn't directly effect you because you will go through it 1 time if at all. Upcharging is bad for all guest, it's bad for the long term health of the park, and it's bad business.

Both parks was in reference to splitting of Frontier, DA isn't a seperate park and I think it's pretty tough to say it doesn't add value when they will be making a profit on land that was previously empty.

Go ahead continue ignoring all the examples of other stuff you have to pay for in the park, enjoy that little world of yours you live in because it has provided quite a bit of entertainment.

josh88 said:

That seems to make sense to me. Much like the way Johnny Rockets operates and guests who want to partake in their food have to enter and then pay for it. If they weren't there the park would have an empty building they'd have to develop.

My wife accidently paid $14 and change for a $5 foot long at one of the parks Subways. Guess what, that is the last time we ate a meal in the park and we are far from the only ones. Over charging or upcharging for attractions is not the best way to get repeat business and cost the park money in the long run.

By the way, why do you think they would remove Fascination so the could have an empty building in the middle of the main midway?

YouCEdarMyPoint said:
My wife accidently paid $14 and change for a $5 foot long at one of the parks Subways.

Lets all just read what that says. I know at least a few of you are thinking the same thing I am but I wont say it.

The stupidity has reach critical mass. I'm out.