CP complaints

In regards to your arcade comments:

Cedar Point is a business, and in it for money. Vintage games, which provide much longer entertainment times per quarter don't rake in as much cash as something like a coin pusher. Naturally, they're going to want the arcade filled with mostly profitable games. The vintage games receive little traffic as it is, not to mention you spend 5 dollars an hour with them, and 5 dollars every 10 minutes with coin/ticket games. You're more likely to see the vintage games disappear than replace coin and ticket games.

bachrodi said:
CP food is still cheaper than Disney and Universal!

When CP puts their food quality at par with the latter two, let me know.

I'm not offended, I could see it being a failure. But I think the business should start thinking a little outside their safe little box. A family park with average rides would guarantee attendance and money, but sometimes we have to cross a comfort line in order to usher in a new style or trend. We like what we are comfortable with, true. But we also like experiencing new and exciting things too!

I'm not saying lets have a park with nothing but high speed flat rides, 4th dimension coasters, and hundreds of retro arcade games... I am thinking logically (in my head at least) about cost, space, and rides that could cater to everyone, and the thrill seekers. Yes, the classic car rides do seem redundant to me, I don't see why there are 3 of them! And two are even antique cars made by the same company! But, a Gerstlauer coaster would fit nicely over them, and not even break the bank too much! Also a coaster like that could cater to families, as well as coaster enthusiasts. Why is that such a bad idea? Why is having more flat rides a bad idea? I don't think I'm the only one who finds them and most flat rides a little on the boring side. Why not take it up another notch?

But yes, if I did run a park it would be a little extreme. It'd basically be a collection of every flat ride ever made, even vintage ones. The joy about a "park" is that the maintenance of flat rides would be meticulous, not some shoddy roaming carnival. I'd have the classic coasters, mixed with super innovative new coaster types. The themeing of the park would be beyond Disney or Universals, and almost everything in the enviorment would be interactive in some way. Everything. I'd explore new material types, and future technologies to their fullest. Not just use them, but research them, and pioneer in new technologies. Imagine a ride that is covered in OLED's! Or imagine a flatride's movements synced up to musical patterns and drum loops, based on the theme of the ride! If music has a BPM, it could easily be synced with RPM's. Algorithms could be used to generate an almost limitless number of melodies, and rhythm structure. There should be more interactive rides, because interactivity is what the future is all about! Disney has already explored interactive rides at Disney Quest! Simple rides like a mini steel coaster, could be interactive with the envoirment around it. Kids would go nuts over that! Ride operators would use the manual modes, and feel the crowd like a DJ feels a crowd with music.

I'm trying think of a place that could museme the old attractions, yet pioneer in the next step of amusement devices! Sure, it'd be ultra expensive and overly complex, but EPCOT Center was, Islands Of Adventure was, and any new groundbreaking amusement park will be too! We are just so comfortable with what we have now, that it's hard to think of the future of things to come.

Everything you are talking about sounds great... if it was fiscally realistic... The capital expenditures to implement the technology you are talking about, as well as the cost of keeping it up in our current economy would almost certainly spell the end for Cedar Fair...

Josh M. said:
Everything you are talking about sounds great... if it was fiscally realistic... The capital expenditures to implement the technology you are talking about, as well as the cost of keeping it up in our current economy would almost certainly spell the end for Cedar Fair...

Very, very true! Hey, I know it couldn't be economically possible! Although implementing the music to ride technology wouldn't be so hard, or expensive. The Gerstlauer rides don't seem to be too bank breaking, neither do most flat rides.

bachrodi said:
CP food is still cheaper than Disney and Universal! Except the Subway charges double... grrr.

Dude, until you get your facts straight, quit talking out your rear end. Not only does Disney food come in at a much, much lower price point than CP (2.39 for a LARGE drink vs. somewhere over 4.00 and $5.79 for a jumbo all beef hot dog and fries, and a brownie or apple slices vs. $8 for a hot dog and potato chips.), they've also got a little thing down called quality.

^ Wow... CP is really that bad?! I only either get fries at the Happy Frier, or go to Daves. I've never really bought anything else at CP.

I really was just guessing, and it was way off, because I never eat at Disney because I hated their prices.

Wow.

So are you suggesting CP try some crazy stuff and make a coaster like X or Deja Vu just so we can watch them suck up money on maintenance and then watch them get demolished?

You can argue we need a new crazy B&M, a dive machine, a euro-fighter, a fly swatter flat, a top spin flat, and a dark ride that doesn't suck, and Shivering Timbers instead of Mean Streak. I might agree with you on everything there. But we still have the best collection of coasters around in one park. Midwest coaster capital here..... Orlando might be a coaster capital and theming capital, and Jackson NJ might also be the coaster capital for all the NJ / NY people.

Otherwise you are visiting all kinds of parks all over the world in attempt to ride one spectacular ride.

bachrodi said:
CP food is still cheaper than Disney and Universal!

Not even close. Not even remotely close. I've got an annual pass to all of the above, and CP food is always more expensive and of far lower quality.

bachrodi said:
I never eat at Disney because I hated their prices.

Honestly, I don't see what there is to hate. The pricing isn't too far off from most local and/or chain restaurants, and they offer healthy options.

You could go to McDonald's and get a Big Mac meal with fries and a drink for 6 bucks, or for $7.50, you can get something at Disney. I guess the food, for me, just comes with the experience and is majorly worth it.

Disney has cheaper, better food than Cedar Point. There is no doubt in that. I still contend that Cedar Point has far too many options for food. They cannot effectively manage all of those locations. I'd rather have less choices and more quality than more choices and poorer quality.

Now, let's be fair: Disney has more full time people, even in line positions so there are, for lack of a better word, professionals versus Cedar Point's seasonal workforce. It stands to reason Disney would be better trained.

The one thing that bugs me is that you see a Eurofighter as a family ride...yeah, and so is Maverick...

^Just depends how tough your family is. Maverick is a family ride to my family. My 8 year old sister rode it.

If CP closed out a number of locations and replaced it with something conceptually similar to Comic Strip Cafe (IOA) or its counterpart, the International Food and Film Festival (studio park), that would be a sweet option. Of course, that's contingent on them running it well, and counter service is currently a train wreck at CP.

bachrodi said:
I think it's their lack of innovative coasters.

Dictionary.com definition of innovative: Being or producing something like nothing ever created before.

Im pretty sure cedar point PRODUCED the first 200ft., 300ft., and 400ft. coasters. Thats more innovative than any other park in the world. And im also pretty sure that any other park would rather claim that they were the first to hit those benchmarks than to claim they had the first euro-fighter. If they were to put one of the newer designs of the rollercoasters that you mentioned it would no longer be innovative.

Cedar Point obviously knows what they are doing! That is why they are the rollercoaster capital of the world and America's Rollercoast!

^Thank you, Adidas, for that comprehensive definition of "innovative". I'm glad you cared enough to spend a few seconds to post your search results from an internet dictionary. I'm a fan of my tangible Oxford dictionary which defines "innovative" as "the bringing in of new methods, ideas, etc.". Now, I am well aware that Cedar Point has already made their mark in many areas as the first this and that. I never denied that. However, this does not mean that they cannot continue to be innovative in being the very first park to expand into new realms regarding roller coasters. That would be innovative of them in every sense of the word. I think many Cedar Point enthusiasts would be proud of that. Also, breaking the records for height is fantastic and all, but it is not innovative to say you have the highest, fastest, longest coaster out there. I think a coaster such as Maverick should be boasted as innovative as it totally broke the norm rather than records.

^If you dislike CP so much, how come you are posting on a CP fan site? If you don't like it, then just don't go. I thought starting threads just to piss people off was against the site rules anyway?

bachrodi said:
However, this does not mean that they cannot continue to be innovative in being the very first park to expand into new realms regarding roller coasters. That would be innovative of them in every sense of the word. I think many Cedar Point enthusiasts would be proud of that.

Who are you to decide what cedar point fans are proud of and what they aren't? You obviously havnt read any of the previous posts in this thread! You also are obviously trying to just piss people off and Jeff why has he not been banned yet?

bachrodi said:

Also, breaking the records for height is fantastic and all, but it is not innovative to say you have the highest, fastest, longest coaster out there.

Am i mistaken because i always thought having the first coaster over 200ft., 300ft., and 400ft. was pretty innovative because they were the first of there kind and they created a new age of rollercoasters and thrill rides.

Why do people join CP fansites just to complain about the park? I'm sure plenty of people would find this discussion amusing elsewhere. Cedar Point is amazing, unfortunately alot of people tend to take everything for granted as soon as they're done with it, and then they whine about something else. In the early days the big ride was the swing out in the lake. Look at the park now, take a step back, and count your blessings.

-TedFuzz

You know, I have no problem with people joining websites to complain about anything, no matter what it is. If this site was just full of "OMG!! Cedar Point ROCKS!!!!1" and the like, it wouldn't be nearly as interesting to read.

That being said, it can't be the other way either. It wouldn't be interesting to read if it was "OMG!! Cedar Point SUCKS!!!!1." In this thread, I see one person posting their view, and while some of the things that have been said might be a little flawed, when someone called him out and said he was wrong, he backed down and changed his tune (See: Disney food prices). However, I also see no need to attack his opinion of what types of rides Cedar Point should add.

We all have our "wish lists" of what Cedar Point should put in next. Personally, I'm hoping for a GCI coaster that sits close to the beach. Are you all going to attack me now for sharing my thoughts and opinions about what Cedar Point should put in next?