Could this happen??

If the trains ever did fly off the track, one word can explain it all: LAWSUIT ;)
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Unless you can prove complete negligence, good luck with a successful lawsuit. And people should read the fine print on tickets and brochures..

Just watch how the Knott's lawsuit goes. Intamin may get hit with a defective product/design suit that makes it. But I'm willing to bet, seeing how all safety restraints were still in place, they don't get nailed.

Intimin Makes FINE COASTERS just Look At Millennium Force.HEHEHE Anyone Who Worked At CP In 2000 Know Exactly What I Mean.

BTW I like Intimin So Don't Think My Last Post Was Anti-Intimin Cause I Was Not Trying To Bash Them.

The back of my tickets have nothing on them. They just look like a receipt. I would have to disagree with you on that Red Garter Rob. There would be a lawsuit, whether it be settled out of court or by a judge/jury, someone would be paying. It would just depend on who was at fault. Which is why when someone sues, they sue everyone involved/related. Anyone ever hear about the woman who sued Mcdonalds because she spilled hot coffee in her lap? The elderly woman placed it between her legs while driving at the very hot coffee spiled burning her legs. She won. Or the father of a boy, who was an attorney, who sued the people who make Kracker Jack because his box did not contain a prize? We live in a "we have to blame someone" world. And attorneys have a good way at pointing the fingers at people and making a jury believe it. How sad.

Those are totally different circumstances.
The lady with the coffee got her settlement cut to almost nothing of what the original settlement was buy another court and now there are warning signs so they can't get sued again (ever see the warning signs on Coke/Pepsi machines? The beggining of the Darwin Awards). Signs all over CP (see statement below about Ohio Law)

There are enough disclaimers in the park map to cover them in case of an accident. And you must remember that 90% of accidents happen in a park because of someone not following rules. People running, trying to walk on a concrete wall and falling off, going into area's they are restricted from. Right there they have covered themselves on a legal standpoint.

Read the inside of the park map sometime. They pretty much cover themselves. Not to mention it IS Ohio state law to follow all posted signs. Hence, you get hurt doing something you're not supposed to, you really can't expect much because you did violate the law (right tooth girl??).

You'd have to prove negligence on their part to pull off a successful suit against a park like CP.

*** This post was edited by Red Garter Rob on 1/1/2002. ***

The only way there could be a lawsuit is if the train did fly off the tracks at 100% power. The person(s) with the "power key" would then be out of a job, and probably majorly in debt. Since Ohio law has almost every aspect of rides covered I'm betting the State is there inspecting the construction and putting restrictions on it. Maybe electrical restraints also. Maybe I'm in this assumption too much in the law with that, since I don't know too much when it comes to laws pertaining to amusements, but, I know that Amusement rides are treated like fair rides in Ohio. In May(or later) when you have your first ride on any ride at any park in Ohio. Look at the control panels. You'll see a certificate, and some stickers, like all machinery, (especially elevators, Space Spiral has an Elevator Certificate right Behind the Operator) they have to display safety certificates, or have them on file. I have also seen Trucks that say US Inspection Services driving on the Causeway all the time. I'm guessing Ohio Parks get inspected all the time Probably a daily or weekly rotation of Rides and equipment.
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2001 - Night Trash Removal
2002 - Something in the daytime... hopefully

.. There is a state inspection at the beggining of the year as I was there for the VertiGo inspection. Not too sure about the rest of the year.

I do know some rides get hit more than once.

That perilous Plunge case is basically dead. I don't see how they (Intamin) Could Get nailed. You can only make restraints to fit so many people. The only people who should (not necesarrily the people who do get nailed in this country) get nailed is the park, because they are responsible for theiir employees. ok that was my 2 cents
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Red Garter Rob, I used to watch a truck marked as stated in my previous post, in and out of the point several times a month. It would be an interesting thing to know what rides get inspected the most or check-ups.

Edit: I guess I should Clarify that I usually saw these trucks at about 7:00am.
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2001 - Night Trash Removal
2002 - Something in the daytime... hopefully

*** This post was edited by flisk on 1/1/2002. ***

I'm pretty sure the state (dept of agriculture) does a comprehensive check of all rides before the season starts. They also come back in July I believe to make sure things are being run properly. For example, they make sure that operators of flat rides keep their hand over E-Stop, make sure lap bars and seatbelts are being checked and that trains are being watched as they leave the stations. As far as the rest of the days during the season, I'm fairly sure that maintenence checks and such are handled by park personel.
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2001 Magnum Crew

My point was if people can sue for such stupid things as buring themselves with hot coffee, then surely a person could, will, and should sue if WT flew from the top of the track. But that will never happen. I just wanted to know if the LIMS could do such a thing. Yes, most ride accidents are caused by the person who gets hurt. I hope to god they never get a penny and most of the time they don't. But then again, even if the elderly woman only got $100.00, it was still an abuse of the system. Make the jury feel bad so they forget about the facts is a far too common practice not only in civil cases, but criminal as well. Oh well. What can you do?

Curl up in a ball and wish people werent so stupid?:)

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With regards to inspections...
In accordance with Ohio law, every ride in the State of Ohio is inspected by the Department of Agriculture (look for a white Chevy Lumina with a green Department of Agriculture seal on the side if you're looking for the inspector...) before it opens to the public. The current year's sticker should be attached to the brass plate issued by the State. At some point during the season, the State of Ohio returns and inspects each ride again. The owner can also request additional inspections, and the State can make additional inspections.
One of the requirements is that the rides be properly maintained and inspected by qualified people on a daily basis, so the park conducts its own daily inspections.
As for other requirements (design restrictions and the like), Ohio's law requires compliance with manufacturer's specifications; the manufacturer is supposed to comply with the applicable ASTM standards for the manufacture of amusement rides.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

so, it is possible. I ask Intamin, why not make the LIM capability run at 100 % all the time and design the ride around that? Instead, it seems like they like freaking people out by only running them at 60% their capability?

good point cpcyclone
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CPcyclone: With that theory, then they should make your car so that the maximum speed it can go is 70?

This is a total guess but I would think they need to build in some variance. This would be necessary for differences in weight, maybe temperature, etc... Also running machinery at 100% is never a good idea.

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Common sense would tell us that Intamin does not install an "override key" to run the LIMS at 100%. Why would they ever need to run them at 100%?? There is no reason. The system is set up to regulate the power by computer. The sensors on the track will limit the LIMS power automatically to acheive the proper heights and the number of returns backward through the station as well as stopping the train. The only way I could see it happening is if someone went into the control room and tampered with the programming. And again.....there are redundant systems that regulate the amp draw on the power supply to the LIMS. If you have noticed in the past when rides go down it is because of similar problems. One of the safety systems sees an issue with power consumption or train timing and shuts the ride down until everything is checked out.

Don't fear the psychotic CP employee that has the "master key".

Someone here plays too much RTC to expect trains to fly off the top of WT's towers.

I don't, and I don't think anyone else expects it to happen. I just wanted to know if it was possible (in theroy).