Cedar Point new security checkpoint

I mean if we got politics and media out of the military and let us do our job...just saying

Read any ROE, it's ridiculous. We know where they are, it's not hard. I mean we literally bombed an ISIS target using a picture we found that they posted of themselves on Twitter. But the discussion wasn't, wow we got a guy because he was dumb and posted his surroundings on Twitter, but turned into Drones are bad...

Really???

Bombing the crap out of the Middle East and other parts of the World is not a solution, but is in fact the root cause of terrorist attacks. The 9/11 attack was blowback from previous engagements, and ISIS is blowback from our actions following 9/11. There's a pattern.

I never said bombing the crap out of the middle east, no I'm way against that.

However, we have very good intelligence, and multinational communities to collaborate with in this area.

There are very obvious targets. However, we're not letting the dogs loose yet, which is the problem. They originally were somewhat contained to Syria, and now Turkey has issues with it, and terrible things keep hitting that region.

I get the blowback deal, but we can't really let things keep happening, the problem was people turned a blind eye until it became an issue...Daesh has been around for quite awhile, not just a new 2015 deal. I mean hell they seized oil fields to create a cash supply. They're legitimate now. But little coalitions here/there aren't going to neutralize a threat.

Whether you want to call it a "terrorist mission statement" or not, myself (and I'm sure many others) would rather subject themselves to a rather nonintrusive security examination as opposed to flexing their "This Is America" muscles and thus turning their head on the real issue here - leaving many families burned, ripped, blasted to shreds from a lack of stringent safety precautions. You can't stop the killer, but you can take his tools.

Sure, you can't protect every location, and you will always have your Lone Wolf attackers (Orlando). But high visibility events like concerts, marathons, airports, amusement parks, and sporting events deserve security to protect those trapped inside.

magdrag95 said:

if Cedar Point is going to subject me to their security protocol, it had better be the whole nine yards - metal detectors, strict bag checks, and pat-downs if you're too incoherent to empty your pockets of car keys (or handgun).

I hope Cedar Point will take this kind of thing as a lesson to improve/audit their security.

I remember reading something about security at CP after the 911 terrorist attacks and the article mentioned that CP does a lot of things behind the scenes that the general public is not aware of. I'm sure that includes video surveillance plus other things that CPPD does that would not be apparent to someone not in law enforcement. That is my whole point about security theater. I don't think it is anything more than show compared to other measures taken at a venue like CP. This isn't controlled access to a building like a stadium, CP is like a small city. How are you going to check people in the hotels, lighthouse point, beach, marina etc.? You can't. Matter of fact, the crowd that is gathered by the security checkpoint waiting to get in would be a tempting target to a terrorist with an assault rifle.

These terror attacks create a new round of fear every time one occurs and it changes our way of life because of the knee jerk "higher security" that is implemented to appease the public. I'm fine with knowing that CPPD is working both behind the scenes and with visible officers to keep everyone safe. Wanding and bag checks are just an annoyance, they don't give me a sense of security.

djDaemon said:
Bombing the crap out of the Middle East and other parts of the World is not a solution, but is in fact the root cause of terrorist attacks. The 9/11 attack was blowback from previous engagements, and ISIS is blowback from our actions following 9/11. There's a pattern.

It is so sad that children are indoctrinated to believe this.

XS NightClub said:
It is so sad that children are indoctrinated to believe this.

It's not indoctrination, and I'm no child.

It's rock solid evidence, including explicit statements by the terrorists themselves. They have plainly stated that our military actions, specifically in the Middle East, are their motivation for attacking the US and its allies. The US has spent decades causing and/or playing a crucial role in military actions throughout the Middle East.

Now, you can certainly argue about the motivations for the role we've played there, but there is no debating that we're being attacked because of our actions and presence in that part of the World.

They also claim they are killing people in the name of Allah, so you believe that?

Back on topic, I really hope that management can find a happy medium here.

They seem to be doing better with training the security staff, they've been very friendly and courteous in my interactions with them.

We removed people from power that were suppressing these radical groups. When that happens, those groups gain power. The IS is trying to get recognized as a nation, considering the area they control between Syria and Iraq.

There is a lot more than just "we're mad that you were here."

XS NightClub said:

They also claim they are killing people in the name of Allah, so you believe that?

Of course. There is no concept aside from religion - that I'm aware of - that is more powerful and effective at normalizing objectively-bizarre or indefensible behavior. Everything from worshiping animals to the mutilation of infants is considered reasonable and even normal, all because of religion, even in the US.

It is of course not a stretch to believe that an especially fervent belief in a religion could cause someone to commit murder, especially when the motive is plainly stated as such. This happens even in Christianity today, most recently in Colorado Springs last year.

US "intervention" has a long history of coming back to haunt us. We armed the Mujahideen to drive out the Soviets, and when we stopped doing that and did not participate in Afghanistan's reconstruction, we left a power vacuum that became the Taliban. When we pushed Saddam out of Iraq (for no legitimate reason, as it turns out), again, power vacuum that resulted in ISIS. You're incredibly naive or willing to ignore history if you really think that the US is not complicit in the formation of its enemies.

It's not about religion or hating freedom. It's about power and money. It's always about power and money.

And airtime. Who doesn't want more airtime?

We may have created these, I mean I totally understand and agree. However..we could easily remove the problem too. The military is far more than capable. Noone likes this group aside from themselves. I mean hell look at the refugee deal this caused. You don't see them rallying towards it. They do actively recruit but it's not much, nor are they trained soldiers. Watching their training videos at them shooting is actually hilarious.

The problem is noone in America wants a war, which I agree, I don't want it to come to it ever, I don't want to be on another plane with a kid or one guy I know missing legs, it's never something I want to push anyone to. However, theres a point when enough beheadings, people being torched alive, and journalists being butchered where I say enough is enough and start letting the intel identify targets and we remove the problem.

However, then it becomes a problem with drone strikes, collateral, TS/SCI info the public doesn't know, intelligence gathering, etc. Not, hey there's a bunch of determined radical people butchering towns and taking over sections of a country and now we've eliminated a growing threat. That's the problem I have with this. At this point we can't bat an eye and let Turkey try to take this on and eliminate it. It's expanded too much to sit idly by. I hate that it involves us fighting again, I don't wanna see how this outcome goes forward, but it's going to happen.

Ah yes! That's it! Paris got attacked because of US involvement. Now it ALL makes sense

Insert any other myriad of country/city names in place of Paris...

thedevariouseffect said:

We may have created these, I mean I totally understand and agree. However..we could easily remove the problem too.

You don't understand if you're suggesting we continue to do the things that cause the problem in the first place.

XS NightClub said:

Ah yes! That's it! Paris got attacked because of US involvement. Now it ALL makes sense

It would make sense if you were to consider that France is one of the US' closest allies.

The Orlando murderer was from Port St Lucie, FL. Since that is inside the US, would the drone strike be carried out by the Defense Dept, the Florida State Police or the local sheriff's Dept?

The FBI says he became radicalized over the Internet. Are you advocating drone strikes against the Web?

BTW, it looks like his anti-gay bigotry was radicalized by his father. Should they wait to take them both out with one drone strike or can we authorize two different strikes?

Pete said:

I'm sure that includes video surveillance plus other things that CPPD does that would not be apparent to someone not in law enforcement. That is my whole point about security theater. I don't think it is anything more than show compared to other measures taken at a venue like CP.

This portion of your post made me think. Is it possible that the theater has another purpose? Perhaps the whole purpose of it as far as the CPPD is concerned is that it slows down the crowds entering the gates and allows those watching the cameras a longer opportunity to identify a suspicious person.

We're referring to overseas Daesh first.

Second, in terms of the attack in Florida, it wouldn't have happened if we had more stringent screening processes for firearms. I'm not saying ban weapons or reduce mags, that's silly and solves nothing. However if the screening was more thorough and conducted with scrutiny, he may not have even purchased a firearm and caused this attack in the first place, or at least stopped him from purchasing a legal firearm. Noone can stop an illegal arms sale unless the police investigate or make arrests, but we couldn't find a fault in the system there, that would have been illegal from the start.

Also, with a domestic issue, there's intelligence, but not as much as there used to be given a certain whistleblower. But that's another debate for another time.

But in terms of foreign intelligence, we're pretty good there, and like I said we know where they are. Look at Holland or Paris, they went right in after and dropped bombs and wiped out an area.

Have there been any checkpoints set up at Soak City at all?