Cedar Point at Christmas

Hey, come over to Cleveland's casino-

http://youtu.be/oZzgAjjuqZM

Easily one of my favorite YouTube videos. :)

Dead Sexeh said:
I have several issues the source and facts you are using:
1. These stats are at least 7 years old. We weren't discussing 2003, 2004, 2005, or 2006 Detroit

First of all, the "Detroit has a lot of crime" argument isn't new. Secondly, you won't even post your double secret data, so your criticism of actual data is pretty amusing.

Comparing downtown crime to national crime is like comparing apples to oranges.

Incorrect, in the context of this discussion. We're discussing relative levels of crime or, conversely, safety. Comparison provides context. If you're safer in Detroit than you would be on average elsewhere, that's a relevant data point.

3. Detroit's crime rate is 20% higher than chicago per person so i don't see how that is similar.

That's because you're cherry-picking data. Looking at the data listed, you can see that compared to all the areas listed, Detroit's crime rate is more similar to Chicago's than it is to Atlanta (79% less) or Minneapolis (30% more). In other words, looking at all the cities listed, the closes comparison to Detroit in terms of crime rate is Chicago.

Dead Sexeh said:
They are skewed because choosing data from a certain segment of a city and classifying it as data for the whole city is not proper statistical analysis.

Where did I suggest that DVA crime data should be applied to the city as a whole? (Here's a hint to save you some time: I made no such claim.)

Right now you haven't provided anything to prove your stance

Again, coming from Mr. Double-Secret Data Guy, this is adorable.

Scottyf said:
Why don't you print out your seven year old report and go wander around the D.

The data is certainly more relevant than your completely baseless and unsupported opinion.

djDaemon said:

Scottyf said:
Why don't you print out your seven year old report and go wander around the D.

The data is certainly more relevant than your completely baseless and unsupported opinion.

You clearly win the internets. Enjoy your bankrupt and poisoned swath of urban decay. You deserve each other.

Why are we arguing about Detroit...on a Cedar Point forum..

Don't you know? They put a casino in Sandusky then naturally people will come to CP's Arctic Blast event at Christmastime.

Sandusky- We're also not Detroit

3snoH un=l said:
Sandusky- We're also not Detroit

Best tagline ever.

It's cold but not as windy as the past few days at Cedar Point right now.

DJ, Perhaps you don't remember what the discussion is about. It was said that Detroit is a dangerous, crime ridden city. You are telling me that because of a small segment of the city is below the national average that the statement, Detroit is dangerous is false. Now that makes no sense and that could be said about any place. The data is skewed as for Detroit you take a major portion of crime out of their data pool because it doesn't fall in a certain area, but then you still include that data in all of the other averages. If you take the commercial area of any city it will be lower than the national average. Also i only used the data provided in the per person data as that levels the playing field, more people usually equates to more crime.
Now i am not cherry picking data, you stated that crime in Detroit is equivalent to that in Chicago and pasted that on as a fact. A 20% increase is not equivalent, if you think it is i will trade you $80 for $100.
I haven't supplied any data to back me up because you presented the argument that Detroit is safe and i wanted to see how you came to that conclusion. Right now i am just pointing out flaws in the information you have supplied or in the things you have stated as facts.
here is a quick source that shows it is not a safe place:
http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Detroit-Michigan.html

^^How is the wind up top on rides though or have you not had to climb recently?

Dead Sexeh said:
DJ, Perhaps you don't remember what the discussion is about. It was said that Detroit is a dangerous, crime ridden city. You are telling me that because of a small segment of the city is below the national average that the statement, Detroit is dangerous is false.

Actually, you're mistaken on the focus of the discussion.

The claim was made that Downtown Detriot in particular is dangerous. I pointed out (in the next post) that that assumption is a common misconception, due primarily to the fact that Detroit is a very big city, and the densest areas of crime are not near Downtown.

Ascribing the qualities of a relatively small area to the entirety of the city is an ignorant assumption that is not supported by fact. In other words, just because there are some very dangerous pockets within the city, many areas of the city (like Downtown) are near or even below average in terms of crime rates. And the data supports this.

Again why are we arguing about Detroit...on a Cedar Point forum..

Maybe you haven't complained enough. ;)

Or maybe the original topic is so boring and overdone to the point that talking about Detroit is actually more interesting.

I shall now waste my day looking at pictures of urban exploration in Detroit. I've been to Michigan Central, but the Fort Shelby hotel looks AMAZING (if it's still there), and some of the theaters are awesome, too.

Just remember that Sandusky is down current from Detroit.

That lovely Ohio beachfront is composed of whatever leached it's way into the water that is upstream, and I doubt it's gotten any better along the way.

thedevariouseffect said:
^^How is the wind up top on rides though or have you not had to climb recently?

I try to climb as little as possible when the winds are high or the temp is low.

Spring on the other hand, seems like I'm never on the ground.

thedevariouseffect said:
Again why are we arguing about Detroit...on a Cedar Point forum..

I have wondered that myself ...for a few days now. Seems to be the hot topic at the moment.

djDaemon said:

Dead Sexeh said:
DJ, Perhaps you don't remember what the discussion is about. It was said that Detroit is a dangerous, crime ridden city. You are telling me that because of a small segment of the city is below the national average that the statement, Detroit is dangerous is false.

Actually, you're mistaken on the focus of the discussion.

The claim was made that Downtown Detriot in particular is dangerous. I pointed out (in the next post) that that assumption is a common misconception, due primarily to the fact that Detroit is a very big city, and the densest areas of crime are not near Downtown.

Ascribing the qualities of a relatively small area to the entirety of the city is an ignorant assumption that is not supported by fact. In other words, just because there are some very dangerous pockets within the city, many areas of the city (like Downtown) are near or even below average in terms of crime rates. And the data supports this.

That post, written by an astute, well-traveled and if I do say, handsome individual, mentioned nothing about "Downtown Detroit."

Furthermore, ascribing the qualities of a relatively small area (Downtown) to the entirety of the city is an ignorant assumption that is not supported by fact. In other words, just because there are some barely civilized pockets within the city, many areas of the city are above average in terms of crime rates. And the data supports this.

He says "...many areas of the city...are near or even below average in terms of crime rates." You say "...just because there are some barely civilized pockets....many areas of the city are above average in terms of crime rates." And you both sum up with "And the data supports this."

Guess what! You're both right! Some areas are higher, some are lower, and the data supports both.

Getting back to the point that set off this interesting digression, Detroit's casinos are in downtown Detroit, and downtown Detroit isn't markedly more dangerous that downtown Chicago or downtown whatever big city you care to name.

Tipping my hat to the digression that started this digression, a casino in Sandusky wouldn't be much a tourism draw; local casinos tend to draw from local markets and can have a detrimental effect on local businesses (money that would have been spent in local restaurants or at local theatres gets spent at the casino instead).

And tipping my hat to the topic: I can't imagine any way of creating a Christmas event on the Cedar Point peninsula that would draw sufficient crowds to justify the cost. Now, Castaway Bay, on the other hand: indoor water park, presumably indoor spaces that could be used for "Santa's Village" or "North Pole Magicland" or "Peanuts Christmas Celebration" or some such holiday themed attraction.... there's some possibilities there.