Cedar Point at Christmas
So you complain that dj wasn't specific enough, but here, all you've found is a general article that doesn't address any of his points, and a website that may or may not be accurate, with "researchers" that review third party edits. You do get an "A" for effort, though.
You could just end this whole discussion by providing a source that supports djs argument that you apparently found easily, but you can't provide that so i assume it doesn't exist. Well the whole topic is on a general statement so general facts is what seemed to be appropriate.
well my lunch is over so after work i will continue this discussion if you like
Tying things back to CP, this reminds me of the Fool the Guesser scene in The Jerk...
Now, what do I win?
Anything in this general area right in here.
Anything below the stereo and on this side of the bicentennial glasses.
Anything between the ashtrays and the thimble.
Anything in this three inches right in here, in this area.
That includes the Chiclets, but not the erasers.
Fact is, I'm an adult that knows what Detroit was, is and most likely always will be. You can state all the facts you like, supported or just spouted, but nothing will result in me strolling down a street in Detroit. In and out baby, in and right back out.
Edit: ^Btw, 2006 report? Current much?
Anecdotally, I've never been to Detroit, but it's one of my dad's many gambling destinations. From what I can tell, you can lose money there just as well as any place else.
Scottyf said:
You can state all the facts you like...
Your closed-mindedness says a lot about you.
Brandon
djDaemon said:
Here you go:
http://goo.gl/HvGiQQ
I have several issues the source and facts you are using:
1. These stats are at least 7 years old. We weren't discussing 2003, 2004, 2005, or 2006 Detroit
2. The national average and michigan average crime are very skewed numbers. Comparing downtown crime to national crime is like comparing apples to oranges.
3. Detroit's crime rate is 20% higher than chicago per person so i don't see how that is similar.
4. One of the original comments that sparked your defense of Detroit was about property damage which is mentioned as making up a good portion of the crime.
5. Also highways were mentioned in what sparked this debate and they are not considered downtown Detroit
djDaemon said:
Scottyf said:
You can state all the facts you like...Your closed-mindedness says a lot about you.
Sounds great dude. Why don't you print out your seven year old report and go wander around the D. That way, when you get mugged, you can point to it and say "But wait, this isn't supposed to be happening."
How does any of this matter? I've worked in Detroit for 6 1/2 years and I've never had a problem with it. Sure it has it's problems (mostly due to a retarded city committee imo) but what city doesn't have it's problems?
All I know is I don't go walking down the streets of Detroit, in winter, thinking "I wonder how this affects my view of Cedar Point doing a winter event. Hmmm, perhaps if I get in an argument, point some fingers, that'll get me to a better conclusion. HEY! COME BACK WITH MY WALLET!!!!"
-Adam G- The OG Dragster nut
I got lost on Rosa Parks once at 10:00 at night, by the old stadium. Did it seem desolate, ominous and dangerous? Sure.
Did we actually see any dangerous activity? Nope.
Having said that, I got Subway in Gary, IN once. Ordered through super thick bullet proof glass. Oh, and my first time in California, my friend took a wrong exit and landed us smack in the middle of Compton.
I've seen some places, and Detroit (while being a lot of burned out buildings, churches, liquor stores and porn shops - and I don't mean that negatively, that's just what stood out to me) was the least scary.
Dead Sexeh said:
You could just end this whole discussion by providing a source that supports djs argument that you apparently found easily, but you can't provide that so i assume it doesn't exist.
Why do you assume I "can't" provide "a source"?
I intentionally didn't provide a source. You could find the same data that I did.
It seems obvious you can't back up your argument... one could argue you shouldn't be criticizing others for not backing up theirs.
i could provide you with sources, but you should be able to use google and see the many articles supporting my side.
I guess it is that time to end this debate as you don't want to add anything to is besides look things up yourself.
Now back to your regularly scheduled topic
Dead Sexeh said:
I have several issues the source and facts you are using:
1. These stats are at least 7 years old. We weren't discussing 2003, 2004, 2005, or 2006 Detroit
2. The national average and michigan average crime are very skewed numbers. Comparing downtown crime to national crime is like comparing apples to oranges.
3. Detroit's crime rate is 20% higher than chicago per person so i don't see how that is similar.....
So, on the one hand I have Wayne State University, which traces its history to 1868, and on the other hand I have you, who's been posting since 2011. Yeah, I'm gonna put more faith in WSU.
1) Got it. The stats aren't current enough for you, and are therefore completely invalid. Can you provide relevant analysis to indicate they are completely invalid?
2) How are they "very" skewed numbers? What do you base that opinion on?
3) Detroit's crime rate is 20% higher than Chicago's? Based on what statistics? How does that compare to New York City, or Los Angeles, or Washington DC.....?
Dead Sexeh said:
i could provide you with sources, but you should be able to use google and see the many articles supporting my side.
Got it. You're not willing to take dj daemon's facts at face value, but I'm supposed to take yours at face value.
They are very skewed because you are comparing downtown crime of a city to nation crime. To make the comparison you must throw out all crime that did not happen in a cities downtown.
Detroit-2,559 Chicago-2,101(from source provided)
Increase in crime from Chicago to Detroit 21.8%
I only used the Chicago vs Detroit because earlier is was stated as fact that they are about the same, 20% difference is not about the same
^ but i just proved some of his "facts" false
I really hope everyone is finding this as entertaining as me, if you PointBuzz peeps want me to stop feeding this trolling session then i will
How are they very skewed? Why must I throw out all crime that didn't happen in a city's downtown? What statistics do you base your 20% increase on? How did you prove any "facts" false when you didn't provide any facts?
They are skewed because choosing data from a certain segment of a city and classifying it as data for the whole city is not proper statistical analysis. If you throw out that data it makes both data sets similar. The statistics i used was in the source provided by dj. I proved one of his statements he said was a fact by doing the math on the data provided(see last post) Can you show me some facts supporting your stance? Right now you haven't provided anything to prove your stance
Not sure if I'm willing to take seriously someone who has such a loose grasp of grammar and spelling lecturing others on "proper" statistical analysis. I mean, if you were that learned on statistical analysis, surely you would be familiar with basic principles of grammar.
The comeback of someone who has realized they lost. Until you provide some sort of information helping your stance, i think this topic is over with. If you want to continue being a troll, posting repetitive questions, pointing out a grammar mistake or two, and belittling other people be my guest.
On topic
I just don't see any appeal of a winter/Christmas event at cedar point
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