Cedar Point Announces New Water Ride for 2010 Season

Regardless of opinions on Shoot the Rapids, I don't see how White Water Landing was anything but mediocre.

I think one could design a modern ride system that still conveys the essence of the traditional flume experience.

djDaemon said:
There's a reason "traditional" log flumes aren't being installed these days: maintenance costs.

Lol...

I bet they already surpassed that maintnance cost on str.

Do you have any solid proof of the high cost's of maintaining a log flume .vs. what they have now?

Other than fiberglass(wich is fairly cheap to work with), what other cost's would there be that str don't have?

crazy horse said:
Do you have any solid proof of the high cost's of maintaining a log flume .vs. what they have now?

Other than fiberglass(wich is fairly cheap to work with), what other cost's would there be that str don't have?

I do not. I am going off what I've heard folks such as RideMan say regarding the ride genre.

And while we're on the subject of "proof"... Do you have any solid proof that:

- WWL was the bestest water ride ever conceived by mankind (or even aliens)?

- StR's problems this year mean that, regardless of what happens in the future, the ride is an "epic failure"?

crazy horse said:
I bet they already surpassed that maintnance cost on str.

Doubtful as all the costs with getting the ride running will have been covered under the original installation contract.

And that's not counting CP not having to pay the full $11 million because the ride has missed several deadlines.

Not to mention we haven't even discussed another major failure, the ride height requirement going up, or ANOTHER failure, the back row still being empty.

I'm sure DJ can translate that into "OMGGGG 4 YR OLDZ KeDZ CANTTT RIDE!" in his deranged state though.

You know, you engaging in personal insults is not adding to the discussion. But you already knew that.

Actually there are two other valid failures there, pretty self involved are we?

Walt, what i loved about white water landing was:

1) the old-fashioned charm

2) the winding layout.

3) the very long track length and ride time

4) the long elevated section track with the view of the lake.

5) the scenic buildings and structures (including the ones missing the last few years)

6) The gorgeous trees and thickly wooded scenic area.

7) the intimate experience of the little boats- your family or you and your date could ride alone huddled together- it was fun!

8) it was truly a family ride in terms of both experience and height requirement

9) You could ride it and get a little splash but you wouldn't get soaked.

10) It was one of the few areas of the park that still had the old cedar point look and feel, where you almost felt like you were back in time. It was a throwback to a bygone era.

WWL might have been mediocre from a technological standpoint by the time it was demolished, but it was a world class water ride when built. Sure can't say that about STR II.

And, while WWL did not have the elaborate theming of, say, a Splash Mountain, I much preferred the natural scenic outdoors. WWL did a great job of invoking the feel of a trip down a river through the woods in a canoe, by virtue of it's long winding meandering through the natural wooded waterfront area.

It was my favorite log flume.

Kyle so by your standards Maverick is also a failure since the ride height went up before opening.

Certainly not, Maverick is a very intense roller coaster, StR was suppose to be the coveted family ride. Moving it up is a lot more detrimental to it's "target" than Mavericks move was.

djDaemon said:

I do not. I am going off what I've heard folks such as RideMan say regarding the ride genre.

And while we're on the subject of "proof"... Do you have any solid proof that:

- WWL was the bestest water ride ever conceived by mankind (or even aliens)?

- StR's problems this year mean that, regardless of what happens in the future, the ride is an "epic failure"?

It was better than str, but there were much better log rides out there than what wwl was. The log flume at knotts, kings dominium, busch gardens, six flags great america,splash mountain, magic mountain...ect..ect.

But they are all better than what str is also.

Yes it is an epic fail. For the reasons I already stated, and another being the whole height requirement mess.

So lets see...

1. Make it a ride where jr, mom, and dad can all ride together.....FAIL

2. Design a boat that can acomadate 10 people....FAIL

3. Design a water ride that has a fun layout.....FAIL

4. Design a ride that don't get you soaked like the other 2....FAIL

5. Design a boat where they don't have to weigh people.....FAIL

6. Design a ride with little down time....so far .........FAIL

So as it stands, yes...it's a failure.

90% of the reviews of the ride have been mediocre at best. I guess you can chalk that up as another fail as well.

I wouldn't put most of the blame (although some) on Cedar Point for the change in height. I would blame Intamin and/or the state for the change. I would think Cedar Point didn't just pull a number out of there behind and decide to announce that as the height and hope it stuck. More than likely the manufacture IntaRide told them they will achieve a restraint capable of restraining rider of 42 in. and IntaRide was unable to achieve that making Cedar Point raise the requirement

Eather way, it's still a fail.

DA20Pilot said:
Walt, what i loved about white water landing was:

1) the old-fashioned charm

Yeah, StR's futuristic theme is totally out of place on the FT. ;)

3) the very long track length and ride time

A 6 minute ride isn't long enough?

5) the scenic buildings and structures (including the ones missing the last few years)

Yeah, StR needs some of those.

6) The gorgeous trees and thickly wooded scenic area.

WWL's site looked at least as barren as StR's does today, if not more.

8) it was truly a family ride in terms of both experience and height requirement

Aside from the admittedly-disappointing ride height of StR, I fail to see how StR's ride experience is less "family friendly" than WWL's.

9) You could ride it and get a little splash but you wouldn't get soaked.

That's been the experience of those who've ridden StR as well. Plus, the water features that do get riders wet can be turned off and/or adjusted as needed.

10) It was one of the few areas of the park that still had the old cedar point look and feel, where you almost felt like you were back in time. It was a throwback to a bygone era.

You're right - they should have put StR back in FT or on the Trail. Installing it underneath TTD was a mistake. ;)

Reply to CrazyHorse:

1 - since when is a 6/7 year old not a kid?

2 - Fail for now. Sounds like replacements with 10 seats are on the way for next season.

3 - Haven't ridden yet, but most of the reviews I've seen say its not bad. What was so thrilling about WWL layout that made it so great?

4 - You assume this was a goal of the ride.

5 - They put scales on the platform?

6 - We'll see how that works out over the next 5 years. TTD, WT, Maverick, SkyHawk and maXair all experienced extended downtime during their inaugural season. All were running pretty flawlessly by their sophomore season and would generally be considered great additions to the park.

crazy horse said:
90% of the reviews of the ride have been mediocre at best. I guess you can chalk that up as another fail as well.

Yeah, because you can always count on coaster enthusiasts to provide an objective opinion on a ride that isn't a coaster. I mean, this very thread is evidence of that. /sarcasm

DA20Pilot:

All of those things and more are what I miss the most of White Water Landing. Shoot the Rapids made me really miss all those wonderful features.

JuggaLotus said:
1 - since when is a 6/7 year old not a kid?

2 - Fail for now. Sounds like replacements with 10 seats are on the way for next season.

3 - Haven't ridden yet, but most of the reviews I've seen say its not bad. What was so thrilling about WWL layout that made it so great?

4 - You assume this was a goal of the ride.

5 - They put scales on the platform?

6 - We'll see how that works out over the next 5 years. TTD, WT, Maverick, SkyHawk and maXair all experienced extended downtime during their inaugural season. All were running pretty flawlessly by their sophomore season and would generally be considered great additions to the park.

1. Since when was this about the age of a child? I thought it was the height.

2. New boats may be on the way, but again, this is somthing simple that has been done on a hundred flume rides without issue.

3. Most reviews I have seen give it a 4 or 5 out of 10. I think all of the things that made wwl exciting have already been said. Again, wwl was not the greatest log flume in the world, but it was more exciting than str is. And it's not just from coaster geeks eather. My mom who does not do many coasters and is nowhere near a coaster geek, thought the ride was lame.

4. What was the goal of the ride?

5. No scales, but they are arranging people by size. So if I bring a date, we may not be able to even ride together.

6.And yes...you do get soaked.

I will give my small review of the ride since now I have a better vision after riding it a few times...

I never expected to be extremely thrilled on this ride, and wasn't. It was a very enjoyable ride and I would definatly continue to ride it.

The ride lenght is just fine, almost a bit too long, but hey it's better than too short.

The soak factor each time I have riden hasn't been too bad, was dry within an hour or two.

The balancing of the boats is annoying but I think we can all agree that if thats what needs to be done to keep the ride open then I can live with it till next year/replacement boats.

As a whole I give the ride a 6.5/10. Nothing way over the top and not SRF one trick.