Cedar Point - not all its supposed to be
Nobody forced anyone to stand in line for a non-working ride....I just think its sad, and I personally have better things to do. But I don't live anywhere near CP, so maybe they are spoiled with a season pass and go all the time?
Anyway, Walt - sorry I didn't have time to read enough roller coaster posts to find negative comments...I guess I just don't have that much free time. And no, I wasn't "being negative for the sake of being negative." What kind of comment is that, Walt? Its pretty simple: my trip to Cedar Point was overshadowed by the fact the TTD was down, and I didn't get to ride it. That's it. So yes, my little rant was negative.....is that OK with you? Or, do I need to clear my posts with you, Walt? What are message boards for??
Oh, and one more thing Gemini, errr....Walt - I have a permanent "gloomy expression" on my face because that's the person I am. Negative all the time, you know? Maybe if I get a few spare hours, I'll post details about my WHOLE trip - just for you. Until then, I'lll stick with the most import issue that bothered me: a 25 million dollar coaster doesn't work, and yes, I'm a little bitter that I made the trip and didn't get on it. Can anyone give me a good explanation as to why?
johnZ: Nevermind.
fubar: Yes, I loved Wicked Twister too. My whole point was that it is 10 times better than ALL of the roller coasters here in Denver. "Theme parks" here are pretty bad.
Seth: Thanks for the info....I had heard that. So, if that's true - why didn't CP go with "Mogran?" Was CP too cheap, or why did they choose the Swiss company? And, how much money does it cost to fly all those Swiss engineers over here every week? I wonder where that money comes from? 2004 CP season passes maybe? I think I'll start a new post about all of that......Nevertheless, I don't care who built TTD - I'd like to know who is responsible for creating a product that works 60% of the time, and the other 40% it breaks down every few minutes? I think as CP guests I/you/we all deserve better - sorry for having higher standards than some of you.
Thanks again for reading this.
------------------
Guess what? I got a fever! And the only prescription... is more cowbell!
I'll have fun, the game will be great.
Yeah, but where did your trip report say that you had fun and that the park was great?
I guess I just don't have that much free time.
Apparently you read enough to come to the conclusion that people like us lie and cover up all the bad things about Cedar Point.
And no, I wasn't "being negative for the sake of being negative." What kind of comment is that, Walt? ... What are message boards for?
That's how your post read to me - like you were looking to start a flame war. Apparently, I wasn't the only one who thought that. If you had posted a trip report talking about the good, the bad, and your total experience, your post would have been received much better.
You came stomping into this community and decided your initial post would be a one-sided story of your Cedar Point experience. Just seems to me that you're not looking to be a part of this 'message board,' but rather just making sure that we all know that Cedar Point isn't the be-all and end-all.
Sorry if that isn't what you were trying to convey.
I'lll stick with the most import issue that bothered me: a 25 million dollar coaster doesn't work
You obviously had time to make negative comments about many things outside of just Top Thrill Dragster. All I wondered was if you enjoyed any part of your trip.
-----------------
Walt Schmidt
Virtual Midway
*** This post was edited by Gemini 8/12/2003 7:51:31 PM ***
heck, I was one of them. My longest was 7 hours =P
davejeep2001 said:
I have a permanent "gloomy expression" on my face because that's the person I am. Negative all the time, you know?
Wow, you must really suck to be around. I can't imagine going through life with that attitude. Must be a pain to get out of bed every morning.
So you make all kinds of comments about the GTTP conspiracy where we never all cover up for the park, admit you were wrong because you don't actually read much here, then you admit that you're always negative and grumpy.
I guess it's no surprise you had such a terrible time.
------------------
Jeff - Webmaster - GTTP - Sillynonsense.com
DELETED! What time does the water show start?
In the construction industry (which I am a part of) a project isn't finished until the owner's punchlist is completed by the contractor. When the punchlist is completed, final payment is authorized. It is in the contractor's best interest to complete a project according to the contract signed with the owner. If there are problems, the contractor will spend money to finish the project and get his final payment.
My guess (though not proof) is that Cedar Fair is the owner, and Intamin is the contractor. There are still issues and problems which have yet to be resovled. Intamin is paying out of their own pocket to resolve these issues with Cedar Fair in order to reicieve their final payment. TTD's problems appear to be design flaws, understandable because of the magnitude, but still Intamin's fault, therefore Intamin should have to pay to fix them, not Cedar Fair. \
We don't "deserve" anything. Don't ever think the industry owes you something, because you'll be continually dissapointed. Cedar Fair is probably spitting nails at Intamin...I guarantee you they're not happy about TTD's performance. Cedar Fair and Intamin's goal is to have 99% uptime, and that will be achieved as soon as humanly possible.
-seth
------------------
--Seth
Seth Oakley said:
Steel Dragon 2000 in Japan was designed by Mogran...based in AMERICA. So what else happened on your trip?------------------
--Seth
Right. And Steel Dragon is an entirely conventional roller coaster, right down to the chain lift. I guarantee you that if Steel Dragon were at CP, uptime would be 99%. TTD is a completely different thing, and the technology didn't scale as well as the engineers had hoped. Therefore, you have the problems.
When I was in the park on Sunday, TTD was running great and the wait time was only an hour. The water cooling on the catch car seems to have solved a lot of problems. If it continues to run like on Sun., I don't think anyone would have a complaint.
------------------
I'd rather be in my boat with a drink on the rocks,
than in the drink with a boat on the rocks.
What a crappy way to go through life. I was that way in high school. It sucked. What a shame, though... to go through life like that.
I have a permanent "gloomy expression" on my face because that's the person I am. Negative all the time, you know?
Was not even....nevermind. If you two beleived that, then I'm just wasting my time.
Pete: I agree with you 100%. "The technology didn't scale as well as the engineers had hoped." However, "hoped" is not a word that engineers should use - that's like "assume." They should have tested TTD a lot more before allowing it to run.
HeadfortheMountains : You're the man. These spoiled CP people just don't know what its like for us out-of-towners who come to CP in part so we can go home saying that we rode the tallest, fastest roller coaster in the world. When something is hyped so much, it had better work most of the time - I don't care what the excuses are. Someone should get fired for this fiasco.
------------------
Walt Schmidt
Virtual Midway
*** This post was edited by Gemini 8/13/2003 2:31:34 PM ***
------------------
Jeff - Webmaster - GTTP - Sillynonsense.com
DELETED! What time does the water show start?
And when you (or any other normal human being) expect to go to a park- you don't plan on their main attraction to break down- if this is the case- what the hell kind of operation is CP running- "hey lets have people go elsewhere for their thrills as our 25 million monolith can break down any second....we don't want people to possibly think it could work all day long- that's too much to ask"
When you plan a trip like this, it's a chance you take. No one is saying you can't be disappointed. But the original post went beyond that. It's not like he was just upset about Dragster (which was the focus of all the resulting replies). He seemed to have a problem everywhere he went.
Just like if I took a trip to Magic Mountain and when I get there, I find that X is down (you think that would ever happen?). I'd be disappointed, but I would enjoy the rest of the park. I certainly wouldn't go to a Six Flags message board and say "X sucks, SFMM isn't that good, they should fix the ride, and, oh, since I'm mad about X, the whole park sucks!"
You guys act like Cedar Point is the first amusement park to ever have trouble with a new ride. It's really not that uncommon and Cedar Point handles it better than anyone else.
------------------
Walt Schmidt
Virtual Midway
*** This post was edited by Gemini 8/13/2003 3:24:48 PM ***
Fact of the matter is, there is a reason why this coaster broke the record for the tallest and fastest, and its not because it was proven, refined techonology.
Still, if you go to a park with the thought that you're going to ride 1 ride, and all your happiness is hinging on whether that one ride is open, chances are you're going to be disappointed - Especially if its the tallest, fastest and there are no other like it.
Now, I myself am someone who has never been to Cedar Point (because i live an 8 hour drive away) but has very badly wanted to for the past couple of years, and guess what, my dreams have come true as I will get to go during the last week of August!
TTD looks like an absolutely amazing ride, when it's running that is, and I would love to get to ride it while I am there, but as an avid Guide To The Point reader/poster I know that it is not running quite a bit of the time. But you know what, if the rides not running while i'm there for 2 days, I'm not going to let that ruin my trip to the #1 amusement park in the world, because i mean, how dare i try one of their other 68 rides right? That would just be plain stupid of me!
Cedar Point has 15 other world class roller coasters that I doubt will get "boring" after my first ride, and oh yeah, don't they also have like 5 diffrent shows that you can go see, and a water park right beside it? How dare I forget that!
Basically my point is that there are many many more things to do at Cedar Point while I am there, and yes i do agree that I will be a little disappointed if I don't get to ride it, but I'm ready for that and i'm not going to go home and run to mommy to tell her that big mean Cedar Point wouldn't open up their ride just because I was there.
------------------
Can't wait to be at the Point!
2003 coaster count:54
*** This post was edited by The Coaster Kid 8/13/2003 9:21:26 PM ***
Oh, and calling GTTP's webmaster retarded? That, my friend, is retarded.
------------------
Walt Schmidt
Virtual Midway
You must be logged in to post