Any word or thought on a ride for 2006???

That’s a weird reason to call something a parking lot....

My backyard doesn’t have any trees, does that make it a parking lot? :) lol

I don’t think they would want trees by the pools and rides with all those leaves falling off and what not. Too much of a hassle.

i just think it is a concrete waste land with plane looking slides. they need to renovate it with new colorful slides, a water coaster, a wave machine, somethink new like funnel of fear, and the origanals.

Going back to the Dive Machine debate:

"Busch signed a multiyear exclusive deal for the North American rights to B&M's coasters."

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So I guess that rules that one out.
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I think for Soak City they should just plant trees in some areas, that way they'll grow in the years making Magnum seem more of a coaster.

When I visited CP in 1988, before Magnum was built, there was a nice size parking lot with the newly opened and small Soak City. There were a just few water slides. Challange Park wasn't there yet. In fact, take a look for yourself:

http://www.schmidty.com/popup/otherhistorypopup.asp?image=premagnum.jpg&title=Before%20Magnum%20XL%20200

BirdOfPrey00 said:
"Busch signed a multiyear exclusive deal for the North American rights to B&M's coasters."

i read that article and i don't put much authority in it. basically what they said is that busch has rights to ALL b&m coasters in north america. we all know that wouldn't be true. that'd be suicide for b&m. and, they're installing the patriot at WoF right now anyways. if they had said "rights to B&M's DIVE coasters", then maybe i'd buy it. but, if the newspaper can't even edit their stories so they are accurate, they probably can't even get their facts straight.

It's not as obvious now? That's because there is no parking lot anywhere near Magnum now.

The lift hill was constructed over an existing parking lot. By the time you finished the first drop, there was no hint of a parking lot (Camper Village on the left, Soak City on the right). On the return, only the portion of the ride from the on-ride photo to the end of the last tunnel was over a parking lot. And that was only until 1992.

Millennium Force crosses the lagoon to get to the island and back. Does that make it a "water" coaster?

Heres my description of a parking lot coaster.

A roller coaster that is built comepletly over pre existing parking lot spaces, and has no theme at all.

I don't think Cedar Point has a coaster like that.

I used to think Magnum was a parking lot coaster myself until I realized that its still in the park because it crosses over Challenge Park and Soak City.

Anyway, if we are possibly going to see a new ride in the areas of WWL, when should we expect to see it close? I was thinking Late September or October.

Never have I ever even considered Magnum a parking lot coaster. Avalanche Run (in that one picture) but by no means is it anymore.

A parking lot coaster should be defined by rather or not you can tell it's in a parking lot. Look at this picture and tell me if Magnum is on a parking lot: http://www.pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=1954
Leave the past in the past because even if Magnum was built on prexisting PL area, there is hardly anything (if not nothing) today that indicates that Magnum is a PL coaster.

Now look at this and tell me if this is a parking lot coaster:):

http://www.rcdb.com/ig2169.htm?picture=19

Anyway, you could be right Shawn. We should see construction start in late Sep, early-mid Oct......if we're going to get a coaster next year. *** Edited 7/16/2005 5:50:01 PM UTC by TTD 120mph***

Magnum never was a parking lot coaster, it simply had to traverse over a parking lot for a part of its course. If that was how a parking lot coaster was defined, if CP were to take down DT and put a compact floorless coaster in its spot and it had one inversion over a part of the current employee lot, would you consider that a parking lot coaster?

As for the dive machine deal, I still say the contract happened, as two newspapers reported it. And on the topic of tunnels, we won't see a real tunnel at CP. We may see a trench in the ground with some earth on top of a support structure that encloses track to make it look like a tunnel, but we won't see a real tunnel like on the Beast.

For 2006 I predict another Huss flat. More specifically a Giant Inverted Top Spin back in Frontier Town or near Blue Streak.

I guess from the picture of AR we can safely say that 12-E was the section of parking lot part of it was built on.

parking lot coasters for me are when the ride AND the queue are in the parking lot. or, a coaster that you have to walk "outside" the park to get to.

superman at great adventure AND great america is a prime example of this. you walk down some long winding pathway outside of the park, into the parking lot and there sits a coaster. (at great america, you have to even go over a bridge on the pathway to get outside of the park) actually, american eagle is viper are like that too. LOL!! its the worst urban planning i've ever seen.

cedar point always integrates their coasters AND queues into the park. you never feel like you are "outside" the park when riding something. mean streak would be the closest to that i think just because you have to cross the tracks to get over to it which separates it from the park a lot.

The CP LE track runs THROUGH the park thus putting it on in the inside. Saying crossing the tracks puts its outside means MF is outside, since you cross tracks to get to that. Or Mantis, ID, TTD, etc etc since you cross back across the same tracks to get to those rides.

IMO CP has no pl coasters. If they started near, in, on, next to or whatever a parking lot...it no longer exist. It has since been scraped for expansion or landscaping or whatever. And I wouldn't call AR/DT and PL because it only occupies a small space and by the looks of the road next to it wasn't all that important.

halltd said:
superman at great adventure AND great america is a prime example of this. you walk down some long winding pathway outside of the park, into the parking lot and there sits a coaster. (at great america, you have to even go over a bridge on the pathway to get outside of the park) actually, american eagle is viper are like that too. LOL!! its the worst urban planning i've ever seen.

There is no bridge to walk over to get to S:UF at SFGAm, there was for Shockwave's queue but not for SUF. Also, SUF was built completely over a grassy area, not directly in a parking lot like Scream at SFMM. And at American Eagle, you walk over a maintenance pathway, big deal. Where else are they going to put a coaster of that size, in the middle of the park?

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Keith 2005 said:
And as regards to the houses. Has anyone less seen those houses. On the side of the parking lot (front) facing the lake. Nice homes, but how do they get there?

Some of those home belong to corporate executives, but not all. They get there either by driving across the causeway, or by driving down the c which was the original road built in the early 1900's.

As for rumors of rides going aroung employees this year, I heard nothing about flyers in the back of the back. There were other rumors, but they're really not worth talking about.

i think we all would like that area to be filled... but am i the only 1 who has heard of rumours of the parking lot getting moved back and a new riding put in where the parking lot is now???

superman was not built over a grassy area. it was built in the same parking lot that shockwave was. then they planted grass to make it look prettier. they did the exact same thing at great adventure.

i could care less if a coaster was literally built on a parking lot or over a "maintenance path." what i care about is the guest "experience". if it feels like you are walking "outside" of the park to get to a ride that sits on a plot of land all by itself, that's poor planning (if you can even consider it planning at all!). a coaster isn't a flat ride that requires a specific footprint of clear space. they can be intertwined with other rides, take advantage of existing topography, etc. my point is that some parks (mainly SF) treats coasters as flat rides and just plops them down on a parcel of land that is the appropriate size. i guess they have no choice since they're clones and not "custom" like most of CPs coasters are.

disaster transport was built where a parking lot was, but does it FEEL like its separate from the park, NO.

magnum was built over a parking lot (or at least an area outside of the amusement park proper). does it feel outside of the park? NO

mean streak was built "outside" of the park (they made a new RR crossing and everything). does it feel outside of the park? to me, sorta, but not anything compared to what six flags rides do. would it be cooler if they would've squeezed in a flat ride or a retail location back there too? sure. to me, it is more of a "parking lot" ride than magnum ever will be just because of its isolation to other stuff. having the amazing view of the lake on the lift hill totally makes up for it though. :)

viper (SFMM) - totally feels outside of the park. you walk down a tiny pathway for what seems like miles before you even arrive at the ride. sure, you're under raging bull for part of that, so maybe its just the piss poor "landscaping", but it certainly FEELS like its outside of the park to me. maybe with the addition of the water park between it and the highway will help make it feel inside of the park now. when it was field, ride, parking lot, highway - it totally felt weird to me.

superman (SMFF or SFGAdv) - was built outside of the park AND feels like it was built outside of the park. again, the queue sucks big time. start the ride itself inside of the park, and if the track happens to go elsewhere, big deal. it still feels like a cohesive part of the park.

american eagle - again, feels outside of the park to me. am i the only one that feels like i am leaving the park to get to this thing? you wait in line (if there is one) with a whole bunch of activity going on around you, then you have to go up these steps and over a "catwalk" to cross over the maintenance road for the park. then you're AT the ride. uughhhh. think about having to traverse "behind the scenes" at the magic kingdom to get to a ride. that'd be horrible. there's definitely an "stage" and "backstage" part to every park and american eagle definitely feels backstage to me. not good planning.

i'm sure there are way more. and, i know a lot of you won't agree with me. but, from someone who used to design theme parks for a living, lots of these rides could have been incorporated into the existing fabric of the park a LOT better.

thats what i was thinking... it will feel part of the park im sure... but it gives cedar point a chance to expand even more in that direction... they dont need alot of room.. i mean look what they did w/ ttd... *** Edited 7/17/2005 2:13:04 AM UTC by milleniumforcerocks***

OK Cedar Point doesn't have parking lot coasters. Are you done now?