Announcement Theory

There's a big difference between being 'new' and being a blowhard who thinks people must read and celebrate their every waking thought.

When I first came to the site, I did a lot of reading. I wasn't new to coaster forums (as a URC vet from about '97) but I still learned up and only posted when I had something to add to the conversation. Frankly, you still won't see many new threads initiated by the regulars. I may not have started one here since spring (EDIT: Make that two) and I'll bet you can almost count the total new GTTP threads I've initiated on your fingers.

Have I ever bellyached about a park's new ride? Better believe it. I just got done with a VF tantrum a couple months back on CoasterBuzz (which was more about the ride's location than anything else). But when CP's done everything in advance of announcing this ride short of hanging a sign that says, 'IT'S A BIG FREAKING OVAL' in front of the webcam...complaining about it is just a little bit silly, no?

-'Playa

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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.
*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya 12/2/2002 4:37:43 PM ***

There's an interesting point... the regulars rarely start new topics. Why do you suppose that is?

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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP - Sillynonsense.com
"Climbing as we fall, we dare to hold on to our fate, and steal away our destiny to catch ourselves with quiet grace" - The Stairs, INXS

The regulars leave it up to newbies such as me to start more topics then will possibly be needed. Then again, I don't recall ever starting a new thread...

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House of Tomorrow: Only technology makes live worth living

There's only so many different subjects to begin with. Besides a topic is just a starting point--at least in a worthwhile thread. The rest is all about the conversation.

BTW, Jeff--did Mcyke Phrease tell you anything about MTV's 'Doggie Fizzle Televizzle' or is he too busy practicing lines from it in front of his TV set?

-'Playa

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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.
*** This post was edited by CoastaPlaya 12/2/2002 4:18:18 PM ***

Freeze is married now, he's not allowed out except for special days.

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Jeff
Webmaster/GTTP - Sillynonsense.com
"Climbing as we fall, we dare to hold on to our fate, and steal away our destiny to catch ourselves with quiet grace" - The Stairs, INXS

Hmmmm.....What Would Cap'n Pimp Do?

-'Playa

(who edited his first response to wind up with something much worse)

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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.

If I were Jeff, I'd just "crash" the site the day of the announcement, then bring it back up. Of course, people would just do what they would have done before, but at least they'll have a full day to think about what they're going to say and go to Sam's Club to buy an endless amount of tissues which they will use for days after we get done with them.

How's that for a run-on sentence?

I remember the first time I came to this forum in 2000, and then I didn't come to it for over a year. I forgot my old name and password, of course. It has changed a lot since then, but I do encourage new people to join. But for the 12 year-olds that listen to blink-41 or whatever, I just blame the parents for bringing them into the world.

Announcement day will just be bickering, griping, moaning, and much, much more... unfortunately. But if there is anybody that still thinks it will still be more than L-TH-B... God have mercy on their soul.

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(Insert something clever here)

The only thing I would say for sure about the announcement date is that it has nothing to do with us.

My theory is that they will announce it some time between now and next May

I hope all of you so called veterans don't think that I'm a newbie. I have been here before the announcement of MF (summer of '99). I just recently changed my name when I got a new email address. Even with my last name I very rarely posted, and I still don't. I started this topic because I think my idea was at least a decent idea, better than some others I've read (not pointing any fingers).

I also like how by at least the second page of this thread the topic changed from an Area 51 oriented topic, to a newbie bashing thread. It's getting a bit ridiculous around here. There are always going to be new people, it's not like Jeff can just stop letting people join. I have noticed that some of the regulars just add to the useless posts. A newbie starts a topic, then a regular comes in a disproves his/ her idea. Then the newbie along with several others have to defend theirselves, then the regulars fight back.

Anymore I don't read that many threads, I just skim through and read the more reliable and more worth while posts, usually by the people who have been here as long and longer than me.

Well I'm done ranting and I have stepped off my soap-box. This post was not directed towards anyone person. I'm sure I have made lots of friends. Look I have added yet another useless and off topic post.
*** This post was edited by Kyle S 12/3/2002 1:41:59 PM ***

Actually, Jeff could easily stop people from joining by taking down the register page. Our problem isn't all the newbies, it's the noise from people that have nothing to offer to the conversation that we don't like. They just happen to be newbies because they aren't dealt with until a few days of being annoying and disregarding the TOS. They give all newbies a bad image...it's like teenagers that are morons. Not all of us are morons, but those that are give the rest of us a bad reputation.

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Launch: Tophat: Twistage: Brakes...

...Denial is an ugly thing.
*** This post was edited by CP_bound 12/3/2002 5:23:52 PM ***

Good idea: one must score a perfect score on a little quiz given regarding the TOS before becoming a member. :-)

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BTS Cedar Point
http://www.btscedarpoint.tk

Umm, this is the only recent topic I can respond to without sounding excessively A) stupid or B) obvious. I am not sure what is going on, but I can't find good ways to respond to anything recently.

But here goes my two cents on this one:

If Cedar Point announced a single element ride during the season, pundits and enthusiasts alike would probably gripe about it; they would find new things to pick apart everyday. Furthermore, the general public might even have a few issues about a Wicked-Twisterish ride coming in so soon after Wicked Twister. Now, this whole give-and-take process with the people-out-of-the-know vs. the people-in-the-know has been replete with disappointment for those expecting something greater than we are likely getting. With revelations concerning ride time and length being simple and, well, dull, I think Cedar Point is banking on the ride's speed and height stats to win over the general public and enthusiasts alike. Especially after they have already made assumptions and either praised or chastized the park for respective magnanimity or stupidity.

Here is my evidence. One: The official website is shooting footage without all the Millennium Force/ Wicked Twister hoopla. They want to show us something, but obviously not everything. The speed and height specifics we know now are nebulous at best and blatantly wrong at worst. We can only really determine the footprint and the layout.

Two: The title of this forum alludes to world record disputes. World records are a dime-a-dozen, but record disputes usually refer to speed and height. I didn't see too many people in enthusiast circles debate about the elevator lift system or the stadium seating thing on Milly.

After thinking about this, I think the announcement might have been delayed to either avoid an extended period of backlash or to save the trump card after all the complaining has run its course.

Thanks for reading this, because I know it's way too long in typical "me" fashion. :)

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I am still the Geminazi!

rawr!
*** This post was edited by Vitaminized on Gemini 12/3/2002 7:19:33 PM ***

Yea...The complaining has toned down alot since it was already pretty much certain that the ride will be L-TH-B. Once that has sunk in, The complaining has calmed down alot. I think its about time for CP to announce it already.

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- Dennis

The problem with this theory is the assumption that the GE's (General Enthusiasses) opinion will make one bit of difference...and it won't.

Regardless of what anyone had to say online, offline, in public or to themselves about MF, CoasterMania 2000 sure was packed with thousand of 'critical' coaster dorks.

Say what you gotta say--but show up with your cash or credit card in hand. You will.

-'Playa

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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.

The problem with your response to my post is that you didn't read my idea thoroughly. I have become used to this from this website. I didn't single out enthusiasts as the prime candidates for complaints; however, I don't necessarily agree with what I wrote either. Everyone else writes hackneyed posts and responses that are extremely frivolous, and I wanted to do the same for the hell of it. The last two paragraphs of your response made no sense whatsoever. Please explain to me how coastermania 2000 has ANYTHING to do with my theory and we can move on from there. I don't need a cash or credit card, silly, because I have numerous friends who give me free tickets. I was a diligent employee; I cared more and worked harder to make guests and fellow employees alike happy. Such is why I STILL get about six days worth of free admission.

And, just to be certain I wasn't hallucinating, I read your post again. I am more confused than ever. I really need more detail to make sense of whatever the hell your response has to do with anything.

Your picture in your profile is really cool. We should hang out sometime because you look like you are having fun. I miss that. Everyone is too analytical, especially me.

Cheers,

Vita. :)

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I am still the Geminazi!

rawr!

The point 'playa was trying to make is that CP doesn't give a rat's a$$ about "avoiding an extended period of backlash or to save the trump card after all the complaining has run its course". How hard is that to understand??

One: Only enthusiasts are really aware of what is being built, and they are the only ones "complaining". Even if CP announced the ride today, most GP will not nitpick about any of the statistics. 400+ feet is still damned BIG.

Two: It doesn't matter if it's "only" L-TH-B. Once CP begins PROMOTING the ride as the tallest full circuit coaster in the world, enthusiasts and GP alike will flock to CP to ride it. 400+ feet is hard to ignore.

Coastermania is the largest enthusiast event at CP. Coastermania 2000 brought many more "enthusiasts" to the park just to ride the record breaking MF, even though many thought of it as a "one trick pony" with nothing but a huge drop. Coastermania 2003 will draw many more enthusiasts as well.

Whether anyone thinks it's just a one trick pony or not, they will flock to CP with credit card and cash in hand to ride it.

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I'd rather die living than live like I'm dead

First off, anyone who *truely* believes Millie is a "one-trick-pony" is in need of serious therapy. Even I, who does not believe that Millie is the end-all-be-all of coasterdom, would not say such things.

Second, I would say that construction of structures and their announcements are often inter-related. Has no one else ever seen "ground Breaking" ceremonies? Not that this is necessarily the case for the new ride, just saying...

Thrid, can we add CPlaya's "GEs" to the usual lexicon :)

lata, jeremy

Look for 'PlayaSpeak: What I just tol' you Volume I on Amazon.com right after the Guide to CoasterBuzz's Black People.

Just don't hold your breath waiting...what am I saying? Go right ahead. Do it. I double-dog dare ya.

-'Playa

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The CPlaya 100--6 days, 9 parks, 47 coasters, 2037 miles and a winner.....LoCoSuMo.

OldCPer--

Thanks for translating! I understand the point of what everyone is trying to say, but a lot of it doesn't make sense, and a lot of it actually supports what I am saying. A few points, however, have made me modify my position.

Some things confuse me.

1. Only enthusiasts know what's being built? Umm, I find this hard to believe because with all the media attention and the fact that the ride was being built while the park was still open. Enthusiasts would look it up online to learn more about it--therein lies the difference. Enthusiasts are going to do most the complaining because they think they know better, and usually don't. Word spreads fast and not everyone now who knows the general layout of the ride is going to be an enthusiast. Enthusiasts aren't superhuman opinion-machines. The general public can think too, often with logic and reasoning.

2. I mentioned the notion that once Cedar Point released the specifics, people would have less to complain about in general. You guys are saying that once Cedar Point announces the ride, people are going to come to Coastermania to ride it regardless of layout and duration because of the specifics of it. Umm, are you disagreeing with me? I am lost because we both kind of have the same idea.

Essentially, I asserted the announcement was being held off because Cedar Point wants the focus of the ride to be the awe-inspiring speed and height stats rather than the nominal duration and length. Both of you seem to be agreeing with me, but you are also acting as if you don't agree with me. Such is why I was having, as you claimed, problems understanding.

Thanks for eviscerating my post! I hate temp office jobs and this has been making my winter break from school a little "spicier." :-)

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I am still the Geminazi!

rawr!