2022: The Cedar Point of the Future

Walt you crack me up. :)

I didn't mean weather I spelled it wrong. I meant whether. I made a whole discussion on a misunderstanding. lol. What I was reffering to was the state of the world in 2022. 400th Post!!! :)
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I really hope the world isn't one big state in 17 years. That could really really suck. Even Orwell couldn't predict that.

I'm thinking that some of the older rides may get phased out over the next 17 years, more than likely it'll be ones by long-gone manufacturers where replacement parts are becoming harder and harder to find. I also think the park will do just fine for another 100 years. And in 100 years, the park would be as unidentifiable to us as our park would be to George Boekling and the people who once used it as a Bier Garten and summer resort.

YAY 1181st post!! (Hurry y'all and get on the bandwagon) Can I have a cookie now?

Hey djDaemon, what up man? Uhhhhh....why 2022? Why did you choose to ask about the future of Cedar Point in 2022? Of all years you choose 2022? Why not 2020? That year sounds cooler man. Just sounds like such a random year, just askin'.

I know what Cedar Point is putting in for 2022. Paypal me monetary bribes for info! ;)

"I sent bholcomb $250 through paypal and all I got was this lousy Banshee 2022 T-shirt!"

~Rob Willi

2022...hmmm, can we say goodbye to DT, MS, ID, and Wildcat? I think so. Blue Streak is definately a keeper because it is a link to the golden age of roller coasters, a classic out and back that was typical of the Roaring Twenties. CCMR will stay, possibly in a reincarnated form because almost every large amusement park worth its entrance fee has a "runaway" mine train coaster. Gemini, well it is questionable wether the present structure and ride will be around, but I think a newer Gemini with the same or similar layout, will be there. After all, it is a roller coaster that defines modern-day CP.

Cedar Point 2022. Interesting topic.

First, I definitely see gambling in Cedar Point's future. Eventually, the politicians will figure it out and legalize at least slots and video machines to retain some of that money going to Indiana, West Virginia, Windsor, Ontario, etc. especially with the way our state budget is. Gambling could creat jobs (which we're losing at an alarming rate), help schools (which are in dire need) and help to fix the financial crisis in this state. Opponents worry about the social aspects of gambling but what they don't (or won't) realize is it's going on anyway with bingo at every Catholic church in the state, poker nights, horse racing, online stuff, etc. If you want to gamble in Ohio, you can.

So, I see a large casino/hotel being added to the peninsula before 2022. I think it will be a great addition and help to grow Cedar Point (and Cedar Fair). This will also help to make the area more of a year-round destination adding to the already booming indoor waterpark business in Erie County.

As far as the park itself, I don't see too many rides being removed. The more rides you have, the more apparent value there is. The more rides, the less standing in line there is. This is the #1 complaint of amusement park guests: standing in line. Also, on that note, I see a much more elaborate, effective ticketing/ride reservation system in place by 2022 to alleviate the boredom of standing in line. Someone will figure it out eventually. This season's hand-stamping worked sorta well when you could actually get a stamp and it didn't rub off. They also do not ever want to lose the record for the most rollercoasters and the most rides. That's a hugh marketing point. They must retain as many attractions as possible. The Blue Streak will be there in 2022 (barring a hurricane blowing in off Lake Erie). It's an hisorical treasure. A solid link to the park's past.

I predict that at least one more time before 2022, Cedar Point will have the tallest and/or fastest rollercoaster in the World. I think going too much higher or faster than Dragster (or Kinga Ka) will be compromising safety. One trainload of riders flying 600 feet to the ground and the Coaster Wars will officially be over. I think the park should and will look into other forms of rides and entertainment to focus on in the years to come. They'll add a coaster every few years to keep the record but not at the pace they have been in the last 15 years. They need to look at more family-friendly type rides like the paddlewheel, train, ect.

Take a look at the Golden Ticket categories Cedar Point did not score well in and you should get a pretty good idea of where the park needs to improve to be a well-rounded resort.

And that is what they're going for. They want to be a resort destination and not just a coaster park.

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I disagree that CP will always maintain the coaster record. Though this has worked well in the past for marketing, I think the variety of rides has suffered, certainly in the family category. The coaster count in the last few years has led to a disappointing Wicked Twister, to a maintanance nightmare in TTD. That's $34 million dolllars. I think that money would have been better spent on intermediate attractions (a wooden twister, a family spinning coaster, a dark ride, Soak City additions, and some family rides).

I think CP needs to drop the coaster count idea and focus again on quality and duration of ride. I'll be curious to see how well a coaster will be received if they introduce one that is not a record-breaker. Persoanlly, for me, they have plenty of record-breaking rides...I can't fit them all in on a given day. I just can't imagine them having, say, 22-25 coasters one day. That's really too much.

Lastly, don't ever say CP will not remove rides. Demon Drop is for sale, and Jeff has popped several obvious hints that WWL is gone at the end of the season. I never would have guessed these two rides would have been eliminated from the collection, reducing the variety even more.

JuggaLotus said:

YAY 1181st post!! (Hurry y'all and get on the bandwagon) Can I have a cookie now?

Sure for Smart Ass of the week!

Sweet I'm hungry.

I disagree about an on-point casino though. I won't be suprised to see a Cedar Fair O&O casino slightly off-point, but I don't think it'll be on the peninsula. Granted casino's are money makers, but the State takes a much bigger cut of those profits than they do the food/souvenir profits from inside the park. And people in a casino aren't spending their money in the park (and every so often you have to pay them).

lol.

I really think the maximum number of coasters for CP right now is 18. Mainly because of the fact that you have entrances starting to get very close, and that can cause a lot of confusion. You also have to take into account the asthetics of the park. Having a bunch of coasters twisting around each other, while it may seem like a novel and interesting idea, actually kills whatever asthetic value the coaster(s) would have added to the park. Take for example SF Astroworld in Houston. There are a few coasters that mix with each other, and I don't here very many comments about it making the place look better. There are much more important things to worry about than records, and I hope CF doesn't become like SF, where all they care about are records. *cough*Flashback*cough* I think the coaster wars over height and speed are basically finished when/if one or two reach the 500 ft. mark. And variety of rides has already been mentioned, so I won't be a broken record on that.

As to CP and gambling, I don't doubt it will happen, but don't look for one on the peninsula, but rather near Breakers Express or Castaway Bay. That will only improve their year-round draw. And with PKI and Gl focusing on drawing a lot of families, the casino will bring an older crowd all year around while I don't see PKI adding a casino seeing as they're not really a resort destination per se. *** Edited 9/16/2005 8:58:42 PM UTC by BlueStreak64***

And that's why SF Astroworld is closing. And there's plenty off room on point to grow. Some things just need to be destroyed... I mean Cedars... I mean moved. ;)

I agree cedars is kinda crapy, I mean who doesn't. But the building is really old. I might be wrong but I think it is like 100 is it not. If it had a good expensive facelift I think it would be ok. And boy is it an eyesore for the regulars. There just is not very many things at the point that are historical because of the constant change, it is nice to have something else original like the ballroom or breakers. Peace mike

DT will be removed in the next five years.

CP will break the height and speed record one last time, with something completely revolutionary.

BlueStreak64 said:
2022...hmmm, can we say goodbye to DT, MS, ID, and Wildcat?

Goodbye to WildCat???

BLASPHEMY!

It depends on how the economy goes. If we go through hard times I don't see the park addding a lot of large new attractions. This is just based on past history of parks. I see two things being added next year, possibly a western blast themed Intamin aquatrax at the back of the park and something else at the front in place of disaster transport. DT is the lowest (coaster) draw of riders in the park according to a pr guy who said it just may disappear soon... and that was two years ago.

They will hopefully have updated the bathrooms in the back of the park by 2022. The train will still be there but you will see lots of new things from it... hopefully they clean up the area around frontierland where all the dead boats are stored. I hate riding the train back there and seeing that.

It's hard to say what rides will be around but I think MF, Maggie, and Raptor will still be there! But of course they determine which rides to get rid of by the numbers that ride it. It's up to us really to tell them which rides to get rid of! Which rides do you NOT ride when you go to the park? I know I don't ride the Mean Streak unless I have to. Water parks are good business right now but what will the future hold? Will the waterpark trend die out or get even better? Only time will tell...

beccaraptor said:

I know I don't ride the Mean Streak unless I have to.

Say, when you're walking back there and someone holds a gun to you and tells you to ride with them?

I really don't see a casino going in at CP. Yes casinos can be great attractions but just one in Ohio won't make much of a difference. We have several all over Michigan and our economy is in a vertical downslide.

I also don't see a 600 ft roller coaster going in either. Correct me if I'm wrong but back in 2002/2003 I had heard that Ohio passed a law prohibitng any ride over 400 ft or so. If that is the case, the only reason TTD was built was because the plans were already in the works.

I do see CP keeping up with the times and adding in the technology that may be offered in 2022 to the rides and other attractions.