10 Things that would make Cedar Point better.

Thats half the fun of X-flight is that you feel like your going to fall out of it, although I do agree it is kinda slow, I'd like to see CP put one in that is a decent amount faster taller and longer. hmmmm... CP going for faster taller and longer... that would be a new one! (note- SARCASM)
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Arms down.....Arms down.....Arms down.......Arms down.....Arms down....Arms down...(you think they would get it the first time?!)

3- breakdowns aren't that common

5- hydralic lapbars hurt men and give less air

7- Seatbelts on Magnum was the ONLY thing holding me last time

10- food courts suck

9- quite tryin to lower the ride count

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Watch the language - asterisk or no asterisk.
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Hooper said:
Ok, about converting Mantis to Floorless. I am all for it!!
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Far be it for me to argue with my PIC but have to make some Po!nts here. Mantis was built as a stand up coaster, so CP has a stand up coaster. If you take Mantis and convert it into a floorless then they no longer can say they have a stand up. If CP converts Mantis into a floorless then they admit the stand up idea sucked. The ENTIRE 100% PPH issue is due to guests NOT listening to instructions. PERIOD. If there wasn't so much time wasted redoing seatbelts, readjusting seats then Mantis' PPH would rock. They would never stack and there could be 3 trains running at all times. As for the popularity issue, CP isn't going to see a problem when there always seems to be a long line for Mantis, which to them may equate into a popular ride. (I think we all assume this is why MS is still standing and not converted into a big bonfire)

As for the whole B&M thing-no offense to Intamin, but I hope B&M does their next coaster, I don't care what kind of coaster it is. I'm inpartial to B&M's but have no clue why ;)
(cough - Raptor, Talon, cough- Medusa, Batman-Knight Flight, and did I mention Raptor?? ;))

Jo
2000/2002 Raptor Crew
2003 Crew???
Lifetime Raptor flights: 761 :) (goin for 1k in '03!)
Who got to hear her name over Talon's loudspeaker! :)
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It's all about getting around the barrels, or over the fences, right leads, no faults, fastest time and looking pretty when done. What's so hard about that? :)

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this has been talked about in more depth over at mantis trains, but I don't agree with you luvraptor about it being all the guests fault for listening to instructions. Many people listen to the instructions perfectly, but they still come around and redo it

True very true. And I say so what if CP changes it and people think the stand up idea sucked. It's not like Mantis is the only ride people have problems with....Hmmm, Mean Streak, and DT are some more dog rides. I goto CP alot and am pretty much a regular (except last year). And there are things I disagree with at CP. (Like the que wall in dragsters line). I'm looking at it from a "what type of ride is a better ride" aspect. And I think floorless are better then Standup. Yeah there are people on this board that don't like floorless at all, but wouldn't it be better then a standup?? I think so. In regards to making Mantis better, I did notice the trains OTH harness on Chang at SFKK were alot better then those of Mantis. So to make Mantis better get rid of the seatbelts, and get the modified trains like Changs. But I still would prefer changing the type of ride to a floorless. You see even PIC's can't agree on everything. ;)

Yeah you read that right folks I said Meanstreak and DT are dog rides, go ahead start flaming. That's my opinion.

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"This second hill is my favorite part of the ride. It is so Cool!"
TTD Status: "Contaminates in the system" S.K.
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At Kings Island there are no belts on Vortex, Beast, or Racer. Vortex is a lot like Corkscrew and CP doesn't have belts for that, but Beast lap bars are comparable to Mean Sreak and Blue Streak, yet CP requires belts for those rides. I was just wondering what the difference is?

Also, the lockers by TTD and MF are not all day lockers. You have to pay each time you open them. While the ones at the front of the park you pay once and can use them all day.

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TTD Launches: 5
MF Laps (2003): 10
Rapter Laps (2003): 6

I would rather see Mantis as a stand-up for 2 reasons the first one being that it's a pretty good stand-up coaster. Number two is if they switched it to floorless that means they would not get another Floorless and to tell you the truth I think I would like to see a huge floorless one of the best in the world and if they changed Mantis into one, it would only have 4 inversions, I dont know about you but I would want to see a floorless with at lest 7 inversions at Cedar Point.

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2003 stats: Trips to CP-2
Dragster-0 Millennium-3 Twister-1 Magnum-5 Raptor-2 Mantis-2 Mean Streak-0:( Power tower-3

But why does Mantis have to be a floorless? Put a set of trains like WildFire at SDC and the thing would rock. Plus, they could get back to running three trains and get capacity that'd rival Raptor.

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Without upstops, airtime would have a whole new meaning!

What is so different about Chang's restraint's than Mantis? Just curious, didn't really understand your explanation. But bottom line is that I think that roller coaster is still great and the stand up idea might not have taken off with what has been made, but what if it takes off with Intamin. The only thing that bugs me is that you can't see with those big restraints on the side of my head.

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Life has it's ups and downs, might as well make it on a coaster!

Mantis is a great ride with the stand up trains. Don't mess with it, it was designed as a standup and it should always be a standup. Besides, I'm not thrilled with the floorless concept. It feels about the same as a regular sitdown ride when you ride it, not having a floor on the train doesn't do much.

About the Mean Streak and Blue Streak seat belts, they are required by PTC and count as the primary restraints. You will not see a PTC individual restraint without the seat belt in any park.

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I'd rather be in my boat with a drink on the rocks,
than in the drink with a boat on the rocks.

It has always perplexed me as to why Cedar Point has no signage around the park. Not even old fashed wood signs with arrows pointing to the different rides.

A simple way to make a wait time sign system work would be that each ride (on the system) has a control where an OP can change the wait time. This affects the wait time on the sign infront of the ride and at all the other signs around the park. Accuracy problem solved. It COULD be done wirelessly, making the cost less.

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"I can't make a movie or write a song either, but that doesn't mean I'm not entitled to think they suck."
-Jeff

Dragster: 1 Force: 5 Twister: 7 Raptor: 6 Magnum: 12

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khommy84 said:
What is so different about Chang's restraint's than Mantis? Just curious, didn't really understand your explanation. But bottom line is that I think that roller coaster is still great and the stand up idea might not have taken off with what has been made, but what if it takes off with Intamin. The only thing that bugs me is that you can't see with those big restraints on the side of my head.

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Life has it's ups and downs, might as well make it on a coaster!

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Sorry I can't find any pictures of the trains on Chang. But when I rode it earlier this year the difference was in the yellow OTHR's. On Mantis they are pretty much a rectangle |o|
| or \ / = restraint. o = persons head.
On Chang they looked like this \o/
That improved alot on the headbanging compared to Mantis. And yes when riding Mantis you push you head out as far as possible to prevent that. That is the difference I noticed and liked alot.

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"This second hill is my favorite part of the ride. It is so Cool!"
TTD Status: "Contaminates in the system" S.K.

Go back and re-read CoastaPlaya's post regarding the queue time signs; they might not be as good as everyone assumes they would be.

My civil engineering friends tell me that the very last thing you want to do when an accident closes some but not all of a highway is tell everyone that the accident has happened. Then, everyone avoids the highway, wasting its remaining capacity, and swamping the secondary roads in the area.

Queue time signs can have an unstable "ringing" effect, making the ratio of longest/shortest lines for a ride during the day larger instead of smaller. There is some nasty control/queuing theory (there really is such a thing!) that you can use to model the effect of the signs, based on average walking times, expected park arrival patterns, etc. etc., but just putting the signs in won't necessarily help, particularly if they are always completely accurate.

My gut tells me that you want rides closest to the signs to be listed with "current" wait times, rides half way across the park should list the average wait over the past T minutes, and rides all the way across the park to list averages over the last 2*T minutes, but I'm too lazy to do the math/modeling to figure it out. This might explain why IOA signs are not consistent, but I'm not sure about that.

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It's not war, famine, or pestilence; it's only downtime.

Hey watch it with the Dog Ride crap man thats my ride you're talking about. Yeah it is rough but thats why it is called Mean Streak. Look at the positives long ride time, short waiting times so quit yer belly achin. Flaming over.

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The Beatings Will Continue Untill Morale Improves.

Camp Snoopy 2000-2002
Mean Streak 2003

I disagree with the whole Mantis gets new trains idea for a couple of reasons. One is that it is designed to be a stand up and I think some of the elements, like the quick banking transitions, feel a lot different on a standup than they would on a sitdown because you feel the lateral g's more when you're standing up in the air. Also, if they change Mantis to say a floorless, it would be at best an average floorless ride with only 4 inversions and being less than 150 feet tall, and we don't need any more average coasters at CP.

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About those signs (ride info on them), they do already have those at other parks, such as Islands of Adventure. It would be great to have something like that, but the only problem was that I found the wait times to be off by sometimes more than 1/2 hour.

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about the signs on the midway to tell whether a ride was open and it's wait time......Disney has these down in their parks in florida, i was there recently, and i am a big fan of those, they are very convienent, and i also was thinking cedar point should add these

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Top Thrill Dragster: 1
Millenium Force: 13
Magnum: 56

Hey Everyone!

Just got back from an exhausting weekend at PKI. After riding Delirium a half dozen times over the weekend, I would agree that CP needs one of these in their park. That ride was so sweet! I loved how you could get extreme G's and decent airtime in one really cool ride. Plus it was a great way to cool down while cruising at a speed of 78 mph!! Remove that run down aquatic stadium and put one of these in it's place!!! You'll be sure to get people back into that part of the park with one of these rides!

Okay, this probably sounds a little silly, but we were on Paddlewheel Excursions yesterday (it's a good after dinner - before roller coaster ride - but a little hokey), and we really think Cedar Point should retheme this with the Camp Snoopy/Peanuts theme. It's located perfectly, would require very little effort, and would more than likely greatly improve the popularity. We sat (looking a little stupid), on the ride for about five minutes before someone else joined us. At the same time, Camp Snoopy was packed. I know I could be wrong, but the plastic figures, and poor recordings have a more carnival feeling than that of one of the top parks on the planet. Just an idea.

Wasn't there a Peanuts movie where the gang went whitewater rafting or canoeing? Maybe they can make different AA scenes on the island that depict that. Not a bad idea.