If you could... Part II
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I think this is a good topic and don't think it should be closed b/c of one person's actions. So here we go again. Seems a lot of stuff is being closed recently. I guess this doesn't have to be only Miers' job either.
I think that I would have Raptor repainted too, it does look rusty. I would also lower food prices-good idea eric, they are outrageous. I would look into "fixing" Mean Streak. Next big investment would be a good sit down looper. (maybe an Intamin or B&M, maybe even a floorless)
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Trim brakes-a necessity???
I think that I would have Raptor repainted too, it does look rusty. I would also lower food prices-good idea eric, they are outrageous. I would look into "fixing" Mean Streak. Next big investment would be a good sit down looper. (maybe an Intamin or B&M, maybe even a floorless)
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Trim brakes-a necessity???
I'd add a powered launch something or other - not a boomerang, since you can find those at so many other parks, but something similar. Hulk at Islands of Adventure is a powered launch continuous circuit (3 trains) and works great.
I'd also add more handicapped access stuff around the food stands (tables equipped to handle wheelchairs, etc.), and revamp the Town Hall Museum to show some of the modern history, like have maps from every third year or something so you can see the changes.
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I'd also add more handicapped access stuff around the food stands (tables equipped to handle wheelchairs, etc.), and revamp the Town Hall Museum to show some of the modern history, like have maps from every third year or something so you can see the changes.
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There's a difference between Kennywood and Cedar Point, though.
At Kennywood, you can either buy a Ride All Day Pass, which means you'll wear the wristband, or, you can buy a General Admission Pass, which is just entry to the park. From there, you can buy tickets (in books or singles) to get on rides.
As far I noticed, Cedar Point doesn't have a general admission system using tickets, therefore there's no need for the wristbands. I do, however, think the general admission idea is a good one, and would be a good addition to CP.
I went to CP for the first time this year, with my father and two friends. It was a two-day trip, and we stayed overnight in a Sandusky hotel. My father (who's 60 years old with a bad heart--not the roller coaster type anymore) wanted to spend time at the park, but didn't think the $38 was justified for him to go in the park and sit, maybe watch a show or two. Now if CP had a ticket system like Kennywood, I'm sure he would have bought a general admission pass for $7.50 to take a look around America's Roller Coast.
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How dare you vanquish the Steel Phantom without his consent? Fear the Phantom's Revenge.
At Kennywood, you can either buy a Ride All Day Pass, which means you'll wear the wristband, or, you can buy a General Admission Pass, which is just entry to the park. From there, you can buy tickets (in books or singles) to get on rides.
As far I noticed, Cedar Point doesn't have a general admission system using tickets, therefore there's no need for the wristbands. I do, however, think the general admission idea is a good one, and would be a good addition to CP.
I went to CP for the first time this year, with my father and two friends. It was a two-day trip, and we stayed overnight in a Sandusky hotel. My father (who's 60 years old with a bad heart--not the roller coaster type anymore) wanted to spend time at the park, but didn't think the $38 was justified for him to go in the park and sit, maybe watch a show or two. Now if CP had a ticket system like Kennywood, I'm sure he would have bought a general admission pass for $7.50 to take a look around America's Roller Coast.
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How dare you vanquish the Steel Phantom without his consent? Fear the Phantom's Revenge.
I agree with Lynch and this should apply to all amusement/theme parks. The parks have nothing to lose with this system because they will probably get more people into the park. The person cant get on to a ride until he or she pays extra so this would be ideal especially for grandparents or parents who want to visit but have no desire to get on a ride.
Well Jeff, Kennywood does it and I am sure it pleases alot of people that dont ride. The other chains probably make people not show up at all because of the high admission to a park. Think about it.
2 parents= $10 each= $20 (non-riders)
2 kids= $38 each= $76
Total= $96
No non-rider admission for a park. Family decides not to go. Park is out $96. I really think its a win-win situation for the customers and the park. *** This post was edited by Chitown on 10/10/2000. ***
2 parents= $10 each= $20 (non-riders)
2 kids= $38 each= $76
Total= $96
No non-rider admission for a park. Family decides not to go. Park is out $96. I really think its a win-win situation for the customers and the park. *** This post was edited by Chitown on 10/10/2000. ***
I agree completely with Jeff. In addition, why would you want a lot of extra people in the park, especially on busy days. There certainly is a difference between Cedar Point and other parks, and it has a lot to do with the quality of the guests. I go to C. P. for a lot of reasons, and one of those is that it has some of the elements of a gated community. It’s a private, reasonably secure facility and I’d like to see it stay that way.
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- Raptor Dave (not "Raptor Man Dave") *** This post was edited by CPDave on 10/10/2000. ***
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- Raptor Dave (not "Raptor Man Dave") *** This post was edited by CPDave on 10/10/2000. ***
I also agree. A smaller park, like Kennywood or Knoebel's, can go with ride tickets because there are far fewer people in the park. Ride tickets are fairly labor-intensive. You HAVE to have someone at the entrance gate of the ride, checking for wristbands & collecting tickets from people without the bands. Now, this could be a combined job with the person with the height stick (when there is one), BUT it's still going to slow the line down.
Using the example of the non-riding parents and the kids, in that situation many parents will pay the full admission so they can take their kids, and think nothing of it. Most of the GP won't even realize that at places like Kennywood or Knoebel's (or Bland's, or Lakemont, or.......) they'd have had a choice.
As far as I know, none of the 5 big chains (Cedar Fair, Six Flags, Busch, Paramount, Disney) does it. That kind of system is in the realm of the smaller, family-business type parks.
(Yes, I realize Kennywood Entertainment is up to 4 parks, but they're all the smaller, family-style kinds of places ;) )
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*** This post was edited by GregLeg1 on 10/10/2000. ***
Using the example of the non-riding parents and the kids, in that situation many parents will pay the full admission so they can take their kids, and think nothing of it. Most of the GP won't even realize that at places like Kennywood or Knoebel's (or Bland's, or Lakemont, or.......) they'd have had a choice.
As far as I know, none of the 5 big chains (Cedar Fair, Six Flags, Busch, Paramount, Disney) does it. That kind of system is in the realm of the smaller, family-business type parks.
(Yes, I realize Kennywood Entertainment is up to 4 parks, but they're all the smaller, family-style kinds of places ;) )
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*** This post was edited by GregLeg1 on 10/10/2000. ***
CP Dave is right on. Socially just or not, the admission price does help to maintain a certain level of guest quality. It's too expensive to go to the park just to start trouble.
Regarding Kennywood, well, in my two visits I don't think I saw more than two "bandless" guests there, and I was looking pretty hard.
For non-riders, there's still too much to do to not maintain the normal gate price. In addition to the shows, there are a lot of gentle rides that non-riders would ride. Not only that, but it's not like a pack of non-riders ever decide to go to the park together... they go with riders, will pay to be there.
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Jeff
Webmaster/Guide to The Point
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Regarding Kennywood, well, in my two visits I don't think I saw more than two "bandless" guests there, and I was looking pretty hard.
For non-riders, there's still too much to do to not maintain the normal gate price. In addition to the shows, there are a lot of gentle rides that non-riders would ride. Not only that, but it's not like a pack of non-riders ever decide to go to the park together... they go with riders, will pay to be there.
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Jeff
Webmaster/Guide to The Point
Millennium Force laps: 45
On a related note, in case anyone is wondering in this direction, Cedar Point does have discounted admission for people that physically cannot go on the rides. For example, my mother is wheelchair bound and can provide the documentation to prove that she is completely unable to ride the big attractions. She would therefore qualify for the discount. Someone that can ride most of them gets the access pass to facilitate how they get on the ride, but they pay full price - they can ride most everything, it doesn't differentiate whether or not they would.
I think that's a fair policy because while the shows and all are great, and I agree that they (and the games and the shops and the food) justify the ticket price, this does allow for some variability for certain guests.
Wrist bands I feel would be more trouble, because there are always people that will try to swap them out, you'd have to pay just to have all the bands, and what about different colors for different days and all that. Cedar Point has a great system now, and I agree with Jeff, why get rid of the revenue?
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I think that's a fair policy because while the shows and all are great, and I agree that they (and the games and the shops and the food) justify the ticket price, this does allow for some variability for certain guests.
Wrist bands I feel would be more trouble, because there are always people that will try to swap them out, you'd have to pay just to have all the bands, and what about different colors for different days and all that. Cedar Point has a great system now, and I agree with Jeff, why get rid of the revenue?
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"elements of a gated community. It’s a private, reasonably secure facility and I’d like to see it stay that way."
Letting in somebody's 75 year old grandmother, who doesn't really ride anything, for a lower price would compromise the security?
I still would like to see cedar trees planted along the edges :)
Letting in somebody's 75 year old grandmother, who doesn't really ride anything, for a lower price would compromise the security?
I still would like to see cedar trees planted along the edges :)
i know of a LEAST two people who have gone to parks with me and my friends and not ride anything, yet they paid full admission price just to wait in line with us and do a walk through to the other side of the train/platform and exit without riding. i always thought that was a little bit insane. why spend that money and not do anything? but for these guys, just being there with everyone was enough for them and thus they didn't mind so much. now when i pay to get in a park, i wnat to RIDE and RIDE again and if i don't, i feel ripped off. but some forlks don't feel that way and if that's the case, why change the rules just for them?? yes, it would be nice, but if someone is willing to pay full price and not ride, that is their choice. they pay it or they don't go. simple, no??
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--servo, For whom the off-season has already started... *** This post was edited by servo on 10/10/2000. ***
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--servo, For whom the off-season has already started... *** This post was edited by servo on 10/10/2000. ***
Jeff: "It's too expensive to go to the park just to start trouble." Gangs are a real problem for parks like Six Flags Magic Mountain in LA, and the $40 season pass Premier was promoting has no doubt been a factor. Like it or not, the gate price serves the dual role of producing revenue and discouraging those who don't have a really good reason to be there.
Regarding seniors, the park does have the $22 Funday ticket for those 60 & up, a 40% discount. CP's stock in trade, however, is big-time thrill rides, and they'll never attract large numbers of non-riders like Busch or Disney. Truth is, the best gate price for the park (and ultimately for us) is the one that produces the most revenue.
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*** This post was edited by DavidM on 10/10/2000. ***
Regarding seniors, the park does have the $22 Funday ticket for those 60 & up, a 40% discount. CP's stock in trade, however, is big-time thrill rides, and they'll never attract large numbers of non-riders like Busch or Disney. Truth is, the best gate price for the park (and ultimately for us) is the one that produces the most revenue.
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Dave McWilliams
*** This post was edited by DavidM on 10/10/2000. ***
DavidM's comment reminds me of a conversation at Kennywood. We asked Henny why they don't offer a season pass. His answer was that since Kennywood is basically IN the city, they don't offer a season pass because they don't want to become the unofficialy daycare center for the area -- the fear is that if they offered a season pass, they'd have a LOT of kids get dropped off and then stay there all day until their parents came by to pick them up again.
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--Greg
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