the carp

this may be a weird question, but oh well. what happens to the carp in the lagoons? in the pics of iron dragon in winter the water is gone. it might just be cause of the TTD construction. anyone know?

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The lagoon is always drained. As for the Carp, where are the biologists out there?

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Wow, they are sleeping in the mud, that is truely interesting.

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Feel the Beat

We've been over this a hundred times, and my wife (the biologist) gets all irritated. Fish can't "breathe" without water passing over their gills, period. They don't hibernate.

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Jeff
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OK Jeff, I'm confused. I guess I was brain washed by the CP signs that say the fish are 'inactive' in the mud. I understand that your wife and her Ph.D. friends say that they do not live in the mud... So ask her what DO they do??? I'm losing sleep over this one.

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They followed in Walt's footsteps and are cryogenically frozen each offseason.

Yes, I know the sign, and the sign is incorrect. Simply put: They're not there. I don't know if they get pushed out to the lake or remain in the parts where there is still water (the lagoons are never 100% dry), but they're not buried in frozen mud.

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Jeff
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Why dosen't someone call CP (or Jeff... just ask your friends there) and ask what happens to them?

See if we can get a different answer.

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You could always call their info line. I hear they answer any question, no matter how silly it sounds.

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I'm not going to call them because they also have the wrong answer, namely the one on the sign.

I told you what happens. They go to whatever water is left or out to the lake. There is no other possible scenario.

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Jeff
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Well, I'm not anywhere near an expert on biology, or even being a fisherman. (Studying engineering... my life is electronics.) But according to research online, and using my dusted-off copy of Encarta Reference Suite 2000, carp bury themselves in the mud, and can in fact survive being frozen in the mud.

Of course, there's no way I can say a web site is credible, as anyone can write a web site, and the lack of "foundationally sound" web sites with information on carp is extremely lacking.

This is the only thing that I will consider being credible.

From Encarta:

In the winter they become torpid, stop feeding, and stay near the bottom; in dry spells they may even burrow into the mud and survive for several weeks in that way.

"Carp," Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia 2000. © 1993-1999 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Now, they mention surviving for several weeks in the mud during dry spells. My personal conclusion is that while they may be able to survive for a period of time in the mud, I'm not certain as to if that's possible for the entire winter season.

Plus, before everything thaws, does Cedar Point go through and fill the lagoons back up? I don't know, but I doubt it. If in fact they don't, the fish, if they did wake up from the thaw, would find a dry lagoon to live in. That would result in death.

This, in no fashion, is to be taken as me sayig I'm right. I'm only working with the information I can locate. If I'm wrong, so be it.

Aaron

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Why do we care bottom feeding fish are?

Just a question, mind you.

MrScott

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I know that the info line will tell you the same thing as the sign. We use an Info Line Manual in Town Hall at the park, and it says that the carp live in the damp parts of the lagoon in the mud.

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http://petplace.netscape.com/articles/artShow.asp?artID=3790 Near the bottom, "Carp spend the winter partly buried in lake mud" This could be wrong too, but it is partly buried in like mud. Not two feet underground or anything, but partly.

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Aaron makes the best point yet. While some may argue that they spend a few weeks like that (and I'd add that none of these sources cite scientific research), we're talking about five or six months that the lagoons are dry.

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Jeff
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The real answer to your fish question is this.... since they turned Western Cruise into Paddlewheel Excursions... they close off a small part of the lagoon over by the Mantis and this part which still contains some water is where the carp rest for the winter.

The lagoon system has several large pumps that pump the water both in and out of the lagoon system. These pumps are used to control the lagoon water levels so the boats sit flush with the dock.

When the ride was still Western Cruise... the lagoon system was too masive for the park to completely drain each winter... so the lagoon was always left with some water in it.

Capt Ed

I wonder if the carp would eat the left over cigarette butts, seagulls and dead squirrels?

Speaking of the carp...does C.P. still have the $.25 food pellet machines for feeding the carp? I don't remember seeing them last summer...of course I wasn't really looking either.

I think that they are primarily for the ducks and geese, but yes there are still feed dispensers. The area I know of is close to the Cedar Creek Mine Ride entrance.

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