Why not build a parking deck?

JuggaLotus said:
I thought the last trees were removed sometime in 2007.

What trees? When have there ever been trees at Cedar Point?

Leave the trees alone.

Breakers could use some sort of structure not to free up space but just to create spots by the hotels. Its not always a terrible issue but I have been there where spaces are in short supply.

NextGen89 said:
I think the problem isnt space itself... but its using space while maintaining the atmosphere. CP is large open and green... the more coasters they buildthe more trees are taken out and water features... the scenery etc. Then all thats left is steel and pavement.

Befote dragster paddlewheel excursionsand iron dragon were great... now theres less and less of that feeling of being in a remote nature location. Taking out the parking lot and expanding with the oark in that direction could prevent this

lol, sounds like what you are looking for is a nature preserve. I personally don't miss a single tree that was taken out to create the atmosphere that Dragster created. Also, seems like they have been doing a good job at replanting a lot of lost trees, just need a few years to see the results.

xtremecoasters said:

NextGen89 said:
I think the problem isnt space itself... but its using space while maintaining the atmosphere. CP is large open and green... the more coasters they buildthe more trees are taken out and water features... the scenery etc. Then all thats left is steel and pavement.

Befote dragster paddlewheel excursionsand iron dragon were great... now theres less and less of that feeling of being in a remote nature location. Taking out the parking lot and expanding with the oark in that direction could prevent this

lol, sounds like what you are looking for is a nature preserve. I personally don't miss a single tree that was taken out to create the atmosphere that Dragster created. Also, seems like they have been doing a good job at replanting a lot of lost trees, just need a few years to see the results.

A lot of miss the atmosphere - more than you think. None of us are looking for a nature preserve.

I love it when these threads come up each year. They are entertaining :)

BRcoastrpsycho34 said:
Sorry, but I have only been a memeber of Pointbuzz for only 4 years.

Actually you've been on PointBuzz 6 years :)

^Hence the 'psycho' part of the screen name... ;)

Ensign Smith said:
^Hence the 'psycho' part of the screen name... ;)

Long hair, don't care!!! Sorry, I had to use this comback I was told by a 5 year old my girlfriend babysits... LOL

As comebacks go, it's utterly nonsensical. So I approve.

I dont want a nature preserve.

Im just saying its awesome to have world class coasters going through awesome natural surroundings.

Think if every ride had the land and surrounding beast has to work with... massive 300 FT coasters flying through the woods, as well as boat rides like paddlewheel mimicking trips down the amazon deep in the jungle.

The atmosphere is very important to the park.. its awesome to have the best of both worlds..

Agreed that there's a huge chasm between wanting a nature preserve and hoping the park would make more of an effort to maintain the older trees on the peninsula.

While I'm not aware of any official tree count, I'd have a hard time believing the park isn't removing trees at a much faster rate than they're being replaced. Look at StR - they removed probably 30-40 trees for that ride, and planted probably around 20, for a net loss of around 15. And StR is an example of a ride with a substantial amount of landscaping. Losing 15 trees per ride takes its toll over the long run.

Look at other parks in the industry - most notably and recently, Dollywood and the new B&M there. They clearly went through a fair amount of effort to work around the foliage. At CP, the modus operandi is to simply raze the area and replant. That, frankly, is lazy and cheap, and I think speaks toward Kinzel's too-narrow focus on rides at the expense of other key elements.

Is the park a barren wasteland? Obviously not, but if the net loss of trees were to continue, it would end up that way. Though I have faith that Ouimet's focus is more broad than his predecessor's.

Well Canada's Wonderland did a pretty good job on building around the trees for Leviathan. The good part about the wing coaster is that I don't think a single tree will have to be removed. If anything they'll plant trees around the station and queue area.

It's been stated before and remains true that where trees are replanted after a ride is built, years are required to see any appreciable recharmification of foliage (e.g., White Water Landing).

I agree with dj, however, that the overall vector seems to be toward fewer trees. Consider the stretch of midway before and after TTD--which is certainly not in the next 75 years going to see the size and quantity of trees that once stood there. (I hasten to add that this is not an argument that the park was better off without the ride.) Or for that matter, Windseeker. The ride infrastructure and even the physical operation of WS dictate that the area can never harbor the kind of trees that onced stood over Ocean Motion.

So I do believe this is a very real phenomenon, regardless of what one thinks about the merits of the matter.