Why not 400/90
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I was riding MF with a few friends the other day and one brought up a good point. Why didn't CP just build a 400ft high coaster with a 90degree drop. I mean lets think about this for a second. If they did that they would
A. Have the world's tallest, fastest, steepest coaster for a few years instead of 12 whole weeks.
B. Money for the park really isn't an issue. I mean they could afford it no problem, and there is enough room to where they could have made it the world's longest steel coaster.
C. According to people "in the know" the lift hill design used on the Force could be used to build a coaster 750ft tall. Now they say that at that height they can make it safe enough for American standards.
D. The only problem really is with the wheel assemblies on the drop. CP always has problems with wheels they can could work the bugs out no problem.
E. For a park that lives and dies on capacity they could easily run four trains on something that big and push capacity up to 2100 people a hour!
These are random thought but they all make sense. Then again what do I know. I'm just a lonely Magnum rider.
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daniel j. haverlock
'00 Magnum Count: 58/442
'00 M. Force Count:48/310
spiritofthepoint.com *** This post was edited by Dan on 5/31/2000. ***
A. Have the world's tallest, fastest, steepest coaster for a few years instead of 12 whole weeks.
B. Money for the park really isn't an issue. I mean they could afford it no problem, and there is enough room to where they could have made it the world's longest steel coaster.
C. According to people "in the know" the lift hill design used on the Force could be used to build a coaster 750ft tall. Now they say that at that height they can make it safe enough for American standards.
D. The only problem really is with the wheel assemblies on the drop. CP always has problems with wheels they can could work the bugs out no problem.
E. For a park that lives and dies on capacity they could easily run four trains on something that big and push capacity up to 2100 people a hour!
These are random thought but they all make sense. Then again what do I know. I'm just a lonely Magnum rider.
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daniel j. haverlock
'00 Magnum Count: 58/442
'00 M. Force Count:48/310
spiritofthepoint.com *** This post was edited by Dan on 5/31/2000. ***
Yes, that would be amazing. I know I'd be first in line, well not really. But, would the general public get on such a monster? Also, wouldn't the pullout kind of seem rough? Going from 400 feet straight down into a quick banked turn would hurt. They might not use such a thing, I am just using MF as an example.
I hope one of those rides comes out in my lifetime. Anyone wanna take a guess who will make the first um... hyper... err no... gig... What is it even gonna be called?
I hope one of those rides comes out in my lifetime. Anyone wanna take a guess who will make the first um... hyper... err no... gig... What is it even gonna be called?
Becouse Dan, They are saving that for next time. ;)
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I'm saying why didn't they build a 400ft instead of Millennium Force.
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daniel j. haverlock
'00 Magnum Count: 58/442
'00 M. Force Count:48/310
spiritofthepoint.com
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daniel j. haverlock
'00 Magnum Count: 58/442
'00 M. Force Count:48/310
spiritofthepoint.com
What would they call a 400 footer?
An ULTRA-Coaster!!!! (Just my vote)
6 days to MF!!!
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it happens.......... *** This post was edited by Jetz on 5/31/2000. ***
An ULTRA-Coaster!!!! (Just my vote)
6 days to MF!!!
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Mark the fact that I said it first just in case
it happens.......... *** This post was edited by Jetz on 5/31/2000. ***
What's up with that, Dan? Already wishing it was something else?
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Jeff
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Millennium Force laps: 25
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Jeff
Webmaster/Guide to The Point
Millennium Force laps: 25
you crack me up Dan!! :)
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But then, Dan, why wouldn't it be 500 feet with a 120 degree drop? Really, this Millennium Force is all I want for the next few years ;)
I'm just making an observation thats all.
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daniel j. haverlock
'00 Magnum Count: 58/442
'00 M. Force Count:48/310
spiritofthepoint.com
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daniel j. haverlock
'00 Magnum Count: 58/442
'00 M. Force Count:48/310
spiritofthepoint.com
"...with a 120 degree drop?"
Ummm, wouldn't that make the drop sort of inverted? I mean, I never did well in geometry,
but it seems to me that 90 is about the limit.
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Tim Bretz
tabretz@stsi.net
"Remember to pillage before you burn"
Ummm, wouldn't that make the drop sort of inverted? I mean, I never did well in geometry,
but it seems to me that 90 is about the limit.
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Tim Bretz
tabretz@stsi.net
"Remember to pillage before you burn"
“E. For a park that lives and dies on capacity they could easily run four trains on something that big and push capacity up to 2100 people a hour!”
Not really. Capacity is determined by the dispatch interval. A ride that is long enough for four trains will not necessarily have a shorter dispatch interval then a ride with three trains. All of the CP rides with three trains are running at around there maximum capacity. If you make a longer track and only use three trains, the ride will have less capacity, the forth train will bring it back up to what we are used to.
Not really. Capacity is determined by the dispatch interval. A ride that is long enough for four trains will not necessarily have a shorter dispatch interval then a ride with three trains. All of the CP rides with three trains are running at around there maximum capacity. If you make a longer track and only use three trains, the ride will have less capacity, the forth train will bring it back up to what we are used to.
Timothy... that it would. That would be kinda crazy, if ossible. I also agree w/ Dan but I am content w/ what is there now!
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"Your obssesed w/ that place aren't you?" (as stated by my best-friends about CP)
I'll comment on a few things here:
For one thing, CP knew about the Morgan going up in Japan. What they didn't know was that it was going to end up being taller than MF. According to a fellow friend of mine who went on a few tours during the winter, Janis was heartstruck to hearing the rumors of the Morgan being taller than MF.
Now, if they went 400 ft, we must remember that there wouldn't that much of a difference with speed. It would be a whole lot taller, but with terminal velocity comming into play, the speed probably wouldn't even be 10 MPH faster than it runs right now. Unless we see the introdution on LIMs or LSMs or something else on drops (ignoring flat launches here of course), speed won't get much faster than we see it now.
About the cable lift. In reality, you could make that cable lift as long as you wanted. There really is no limitation to that. The design is simple enough that it could go well above 1000 ft. long.
I'm not sure if the wheel problem would be quite as bad as it would be on MF if it went 400 ft. Remember that there is not much of a speed difference, so the heat on the wheels wouldn't be that much different. There is one problem with this though: the speed of the drop wouldn't be much different, BUT the wheels would be under that speed (angular and Vcm) for a longer period of time. Maybe it would be smart to look for a better wheel material for something like that. That's a another story at that! Please feel free to comment as this is my first post on this board. I'm known to be wrong about a lot of stuff :-)
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-Jon Smith
"See ya in the back"
Smith.3634@osu.edu
For one thing, CP knew about the Morgan going up in Japan. What they didn't know was that it was going to end up being taller than MF. According to a fellow friend of mine who went on a few tours during the winter, Janis was heartstruck to hearing the rumors of the Morgan being taller than MF.
Now, if they went 400 ft, we must remember that there wouldn't that much of a difference with speed. It would be a whole lot taller, but with terminal velocity comming into play, the speed probably wouldn't even be 10 MPH faster than it runs right now. Unless we see the introdution on LIMs or LSMs or something else on drops (ignoring flat launches here of course), speed won't get much faster than we see it now.
About the cable lift. In reality, you could make that cable lift as long as you wanted. There really is no limitation to that. The design is simple enough that it could go well above 1000 ft. long.
I'm not sure if the wheel problem would be quite as bad as it would be on MF if it went 400 ft. Remember that there is not much of a speed difference, so the heat on the wheels wouldn't be that much different. There is one problem with this though: the speed of the drop wouldn't be much different, BUT the wheels would be under that speed (angular and Vcm) for a longer period of time. Maybe it would be smart to look for a better wheel material for something like that. That's a another story at that! Please feel free to comment as this is my first post on this board. I'm known to be wrong about a lot of stuff :-)
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-Jon Smith
"See ya in the back"
Smith.3634@osu.edu
Tell you the truth, the next big coaster you'll hear about will be the first to break the 100 meter barrier.
Dan, Be happy with what you got!!!
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im not really shure but my guess is that they wanted to see how the public reacted to 310foot and 80degree drop before they built 400 and 90
they would do this because if it was too intence for the public the would have just lost a lot of money so i think they they wanted to be shure the public would like it
they would do this because if it was too intence for the public the would have just lost a lot of money so i think they they wanted to be shure the public would like it
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