White Water Landing Logos Going to Stay?

If you look in the area of Mantis you can see what looks like coaster cars to either Mantis or some other coaster. I cant tell due to them being wraped up in blue tarp or wraping. They look shaped like Mantis cars though. I know also where they keep a train for a old coaster Kings Island had too. I am not the only one who knows but i am one of the people who knows. Lol.
*** Edited 3/24/2007 4:14:58 AM UTC by Dalefan329***

They are the third train from Mantis. Actually I don't actually think it is train 3, but it is the extra one from Mantis that they don't use.

That's correct. I believe they have them in a year-to-year rotation.

My question is why cannot they run a 3 train operation on Mantis? Yeah people on the brake run would have to sit there for a few minutes, but wouldn't it help with capacity?

Is there really enough room for all 3 trains to fit if there were some sort of hold up?

The problem is that that people don't realize that on a stand-up coaster you have to actually stand up. So they climb into their seat, disregard all signs and audio announcements and hop up and down to their heart's content until their seats are locked. This leaves ride operating needing to go around and readjust most seats individually. As a result, the loading process takes so long, that more often than not, the other train has made it back to the station, or nearly has, by the time the loading train is dispatched. Therefore, a third train would do little if anything to help capacity; it'd only leave a train full of guests standing in a block brake.

The ride is absolutely built to run 3 trains, and if people did as they were suppose to, and ride operators didn't have to readjust so many seats, the ride still could run three trains; it easily has the line to support it. At the current dispatch interval, however, there isn't a need.

^ All the more reason to convert it to a floorless. :)

Speaking of Mantis, I like how Magic Mountain did things on Riddler's Revenge. When you got on the train, they told you over the speakers two or three times that you must stand up. After the third time, they warned about the seats being locked and you would be stuck in whatever position you were in. Then they locked the seats and sent the train. If you were in a bad position, too bad for you, you should have paid attention. It was the only ride at Magic Mountain that consistently dispatched 2-3 times faster than CP's equivalent model. If CP did things that way, Mantis could easily run all three trains. But I do give credit to last year's Mantis crew. They kicked butt getting those trains out of there. I'm confident they could have made a 3 train operation work with the crew they had.

Back on topic, I'd like to see White Water Landing's logos stay just for history's sake. But I'm sure they'll be replaced with some cool looking Maverick logos. I'm sad to hear they got rid of all the WWL boats though. I was really looking forward to seeing one in the dead ride graveyard during Halloweekends last year.

*** Edited 3/25/2007 10:00:25 PM UTC by Ralph Wiggum***

Ralph Wiggum said:
If you were in a bad position, too bad for you, you should have paid attention.

And that is the reason CP doesn't do that.

Uh yeah. Sending off trains with riders in positions that could potentially injure them really sounds like a good idea. :rolleyes: Figures that its a Six Flags park that does that though.

gosh, imagine if a disney park did that..

halltd said:
^ All the more reason to convert it to a floorless. :)

Finally I meet someone who agrees with me. I thought I was the only logical person that goes to CP for a while.... just kidding!

A couple of years ago I decided that I will only relive the HORROR of the Mantis once a year. It has worked well, and every year I remember the reason I decided that. It was one of the best decisions of my life.

FLOORLESS is the best idea ever for that ride.

There's a lot more to a floorless than just putting different trains on the track. For one, the station would probably have to be seriously remodeled (if not demo'd and rebuilt) to put in the removable floor.

Secondly, the track is built around the heartline of a standing person, not a sitting one.

Third, rather than sending trains with people who get their seats locked in an uncomfortable position, unlock them, remove them from the train, and send them on their way. Then announce that they had been booted for not following all audio warnings (violation of Ohio law) and that if you want to ride, stand up and do not bounce when you get in your place.

Ok, so make it a regular sit down. :) Actually, they wouldn't have to demo the station. You could easily work in the removable floor into Mantis' station. Would it be cheap, proly not. But, its definitely possible.

Designing coasters around the heartline is a relatively new concept in the coaster industry. So, its not mandatory a coaster follow this to the T. Does it make the coaster more enjoyable, yeah. But, will it work if its not like that, yes. Still, you could put elevated seats or something on it.

Come to think of it, the heartline has to vary a great deal on a stand-up coaster anyways. I'm like 5'7", so my heartline is going to be in a different place than my coaster buddy who is like 6'5". Obviously, when you stand up, your heartline is different for each person than if they were to all be sitting.

I'm thinking you could actually modify Mantis' trains to have seats instead of the stand up harness. There's already a "seat" there anyways. Just put real seats on the "track" part of the seat mechanism and you're good to go. :) Yeah, I know it won't happen because the ridership seems to be good on that ride. But, I think it would do wonders for the experience of the thing.

Once again you beat me to it Tim!:) With the adjustment of the seats come different heartline placements for different size people. And I don’t see the problem with adding a floorless train concerning the heartline. Floorless trains seem to me to be seated about the same height as an average person standing up on Mantis/stand-ups. The only obvious difference is that you're either sitting or standing. The inversions are pretty much the same since much of them are used on both models anyway. The only thing I can see being different would be the tight turns and maybe the inclined loop. Other than that I don’t see a problem with the loop, dive loop, corkscrew, and the rest of the layout.

My question is, is there a greater difference in the heartline profile between a sit-down and a floorless, or a stand-up and a floorless? It would seem to my uneducated brain that a floorless would have a closer profile to a stand-up than to a sit-down. BGA apparently had little difficulty converting (sit-down) Kumba to a floorless, so why would it be so impossible for CP to turn (stand-up) Mantis into a floorless?

It wouldn't be impossible to turn Mantis into a floorless I wouldn't think.. However it would be ultra boring I would think. Leave Mantis alone.

Maybe add some ear pads or something, i dunno?

If by "ear", you mean "********", then I totally agree. :)

Mantis really hurts the ears when it's cold out. Brandon, if you adjust your seat right your "********" won't get hurt. :)