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But MF COULD do that... you have the bypass line that goes behind the DJ.. you have to entry points at the beginning also.. one can goto the regular line.. the other to the 'virtual' one..
When I was at Disneyland in Jan.. I really liked the idea.. People don't seem to understand.. The FP system doesn't mean you just walk on.. you come back at a certain time (usually about an hour after you get your ticket) and then come back.. enter.. and you get to bypass about 95% of the line.. Hence the bypass lane that comes right up the the base of the ramp on MF would be perfect...
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MF 2000 - 269 laps
MF 2001 - Tell ya when I hit triple digits....
When I was at Disneyland in Jan.. I really liked the idea.. People don't seem to understand.. The FP system doesn't mean you just walk on.. you come back at a certain time (usually about an hour after you get your ticket) and then come back.. enter.. and you get to bypass about 95% of the line.. Hence the bypass lane that comes right up the the base of the ramp on MF would be perfect...
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MF 2000 - 269 laps
MF 2001 - Tell ya when I hit triple digits....
FWIW .... Before our vacation, I spent quite a bit of time reading the discussions at http://www.wdwinfo.com There are a lot of hardcore Disney verterns who post there and they all raved about FastPass.
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Just wanted to say that I've used FastPass and the Universal system (forget the name) over 10 times, and have had absolutely no problems.
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Universal's system puts Disneys to shame. It is like a combination of TTR and FP. There are only certain amount of tickets and they are from 12-4ish. The thing that differs from Disneys is, you CAN get more than one for diffrent rides at a time. This worked like a charm when we were there in April... I fully endorse it!
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"Your obssesed w/ that place aren't you?"
Disney: The system was originally set up so that each person could hold one FastPass (FP) at a time. They tweaked the system a bit so that if you have a FP, you can't get another until either your FP start time has elapsed or 2 hours has elapsed from the time you got the first one.
Let's say it's 9:00 AM and you pick up a FP for Test Track that allows you to return between 10:10 and 11:10. You can pick up a FP for any ride then at 10:10.
If that FP had allowed you to return between 12:20 and 1:20, you'd be able to get another FP at 11:00 (two-hour rule).
Universal: the Front of the Line (FOTL) passes are slightly different. If you hold a one-day Universal pass and are a day visitor (staying off-site), you can hold one FOTL at a time. If you have a 2- or 3-day pass, you can hold up to 3 FOTL's at a time. If you stay on-site at either the Portafino or the Hard Rock Cafe, you have unlimited FOTL privileges.
I would expect the unlimited FOTL to remain available until Universal consistently fills their hotels to capacity, at which time they'll revamp it.
Most of the folks that Walt refers to over at wdwinfo.com have learned how to work the system. For instance, Rock n Roller Coaster is next to Tower of Terror. RnR had a 15 minute wait, ToT was 45 minutes. We got the FP for ToT, rode RnR twice, then hit ToT with our FP.
Another example - we got a FP for Kilimanjaro Safaris that was good for 30 minutes from now. We got in the 20-minute standby line, rode, then used the FP for a second consecutive ride.
What I've found is that the people who don't understand the system, don't like it. ("Mommy, why do those people get to go ahead of us?") We who "get it", love it.
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Duane Cahill (Most recently at Disney May 5)
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Let's say it's 9:00 AM and you pick up a FP for Test Track that allows you to return between 10:10 and 11:10. You can pick up a FP for any ride then at 10:10.
If that FP had allowed you to return between 12:20 and 1:20, you'd be able to get another FP at 11:00 (two-hour rule).
Universal: the Front of the Line (FOTL) passes are slightly different. If you hold a one-day Universal pass and are a day visitor (staying off-site), you can hold one FOTL at a time. If you have a 2- or 3-day pass, you can hold up to 3 FOTL's at a time. If you stay on-site at either the Portafino or the Hard Rock Cafe, you have unlimited FOTL privileges.
I would expect the unlimited FOTL to remain available until Universal consistently fills their hotels to capacity, at which time they'll revamp it.
Most of the folks that Walt refers to over at wdwinfo.com have learned how to work the system. For instance, Rock n Roller Coaster is next to Tower of Terror. RnR had a 15 minute wait, ToT was 45 minutes. We got the FP for ToT, rode RnR twice, then hit ToT with our FP.
Another example - we got a FP for Kilimanjaro Safaris that was good for 30 minutes from now. We got in the 20-minute standby line, rode, then used the FP for a second consecutive ride.
What I've found is that the people who don't understand the system, don't like it. ("Mommy, why do those people get to go ahead of us?") We who "get it", love it.
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Duane Cahill (Most recently at Disney May 5)
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Disneypoint: I think you're missing the point. You aren't scheduling your entire day because you can only get one pass at a time. Generally speaking, from everything that I've read, most passes are good for a ride in the next hour or two. Now, would you rather stand in line for that hour or two or perhaps get that food you're allegedly missing? Maybe hit a less popular ride?
Bottom line: If I could show up at Cedar Point at 6 p.m., get a pass for 8 or 9 without having to wait in a line for the pass, show up and walk on at my time, I'd love it and fully endorse it. This is not what happened with TTR. That system only meant waiting in line for the pass and being screwed for the entire duration of TTR if you didn't get a ticket that morning.
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Webmaster/Guide to The Point
Futuristic bow-wow... do the dog catcher!
Bottom line: If I could show up at Cedar Point at 6 p.m., get a pass for 8 or 9 without having to wait in a line for the pass, show up and walk on at my time, I'd love it and fully endorse it. This is not what happened with TTR. That system only meant waiting in line for the pass and being screwed for the entire duration of TTR if you didn't get a ticket that morning.
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Futuristic bow-wow... do the dog catcher!
I loved Disney's fastpass system. We only used it approximately once a day, but it worked great in those cases. The only bad point that I could see of the system was that for some popular rides, all of the fast passes were gone early in the day. I think to tweak that, they could just offer fast pass tickets up to a certain time for a ride, then stop giving them out for awhile.
As far as Fastpass making you schedule your day, that is completely untrue. If I didn't want to get a fast pass for a ride, I just opted to stand in the stand-by line. When I stood in the stand-by line for Splash Mountain, I found that the line wasn't overly long, because many people were in the fast-pass line. It wasn't perfect, but it was great for the most part.
At MGM studios, I went to the park in the morning. I got a fast pass for Tower of Terror, then I waited in line for Rock N' Roller Coaster. When I got out of the line for Rock'N'Roller Coaster, my ride for Tower of Terror was a walk on.
As far as Fastpass making you schedule your day, that is completely untrue. If I didn't want to get a fast pass for a ride, I just opted to stand in the stand-by line. When I stood in the stand-by line for Splash Mountain, I found that the line wasn't overly long, because many people were in the fast-pass line. It wasn't perfect, but it was great for the most part.
At MGM studios, I went to the park in the morning. I got a fast pass for Tower of Terror, then I waited in line for Rock N' Roller Coaster. When I got out of the line for Rock'N'Roller Coaster, my ride for Tower of Terror was a walk on.
I see what most of you are saying, and it can be good, it just is not the best thing on busy days, and as I said, CP could definitely do a better job of it than Disney did. Im not saying that it does schedule you're entire day, even if thats what it sounded like, what Im saying is that it might come to the reservation-before-you-go thing, like dinner reservations. That is how it can schedule your entire day. But now, say I have a Space mt. FP that is good in 45. I am in Tomorrowland, and I have done everything in Tomorrowland, and I want to go to Frontierland to ride those two mountains. Well, if I get there and the Splash mt. line is an hour (like ususal stand-by) I cant ride it, I have to muck about for that hour until my time comes up. And I know that Fastpass lasts an hour, but it takes 15 minutes to get to Frintierland, 1 hour in line, 10 min for general ride, 15 min to get back, 5 min to pee, then I just barely make it to Space mt. in time, then I have to go all the way back to Frontierland to ride Thunder Mt. So in that sense, it took more time to do that than it would have to wait in the 45 minute line for Space Mt. and take the 15 min walk to do bothe Frontier mts. It added a half hour. In that time, you could have done Adventureland.
DB: Also, that is not quite right. The 2 hour loop hole comes to play in the standby wait time. It makes no difference how far away your fastpass return time is, if the standby line is two hours or more, THEN can you get another Fastpass. So, back to the Test Track thing, that line is always 90 minutes long. Not quite two hours, so you dont get to get another Fastpass. And if you were saying anything in that last sentence of yours that meant I dont understand the Fastpass system, which I dont think you did, but just in case, I do. I go to Disney World about ten times a year, and I know about all there is to know about it. I am a bigger Disney World freak than Cedar Point freak.
"What I have found is people who dont understand the system dont like it." my version "People who know the system too well dont like it, and people who dont know how it works, think its the best thing on earth." that, by thw way, is not directed at anyone, everyone here understands it does have problems, but if you think it has none, you'll (obviously) love it.
Natas: I agree completely with MGM, they really worked it out there. They seem to have realized how to get it to work there. The only time I have not had that work to well was on New Years Eve, when I got a Fastpass for 10:00 at night before 10:00 in the morning! So that wasnt good, but nothing would work with so many people in one park! :-)
Once again, just my two cents worth. And again, Cedar Point can do a better job, something like at MGM perhaps.. :-)
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DB: Also, that is not quite right. The 2 hour loop hole comes to play in the standby wait time. It makes no difference how far away your fastpass return time is, if the standby line is two hours or more, THEN can you get another Fastpass. So, back to the Test Track thing, that line is always 90 minutes long. Not quite two hours, so you dont get to get another Fastpass. And if you were saying anything in that last sentence of yours that meant I dont understand the Fastpass system, which I dont think you did, but just in case, I do. I go to Disney World about ten times a year, and I know about all there is to know about it. I am a bigger Disney World freak than Cedar Point freak.
"What I have found is people who dont understand the system dont like it." my version "People who know the system too well dont like it, and people who dont know how it works, think its the best thing on earth." that, by thw way, is not directed at anyone, everyone here understands it does have problems, but if you think it has none, you'll (obviously) love it.
Natas: I agree completely with MGM, they really worked it out there. They seem to have realized how to get it to work there. The only time I have not had that work to well was on New Years Eve, when I got a Fastpass for 10:00 at night before 10:00 in the morning! So that wasnt good, but nothing would work with so many people in one park! :-)
Once again, just my two cents worth. And again, Cedar Point can do a better job, something like at MGM perhaps.. :-)
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Scotty
I partially agree with Disneypoint. I have NEVER waited in a Cedar Point line for more than an hour. If that hour line (few thousand people) can't wait in that queue than there going to be in line for the smaller rides that don't have a fast pass. The lines will be long near the rides with a fast pass. Meaning one must walk (take time) to find a line with a shorter line. If the FP ride is only an hour wait, then you probably won't have time to do much else.
One other thing is that, although I have never waited over an hour at CP, I have seen lines get much longer than that for CP rides. Like Jeff has said, the people tend to follow a linear path around the park. Anyone who has worked at a party store, gas station, restaurant, Cedar Point, or even a yard sale will know that people come in "waves". If you can get out of these "waves" you WILL have short waits. This theory may prove that simply letting the people know the waits on the other end of the park, may shorten lines. I still like Rideman's idea of digital boards around the park.
One other thing is that, although I have never waited over an hour at CP, I have seen lines get much longer than that for CP rides. Like Jeff has said, the people tend to follow a linear path around the park. Anyone who has worked at a party store, gas station, restaurant, Cedar Point, or even a yard sale will know that people come in "waves". If you can get out of these "waves" you WILL have short waits. This theory may prove that simply letting the people know the waits on the other end of the park, may shorten lines. I still like Rideman's idea of digital boards around the park.
I know RIdeman comes up with many good idea, but wasn't it Jeff that came up with that one? :) Maybe I'm wrong...
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2001 Magnum Crew
-Matt
2001 Magnum Crew
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http://www.guidetothepoint.com/thepoint/cpplace/thread.asp?ForumID=1&TopicID=3767.
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