This isn't Blue Streak, what is it?

This picture was scanned from the 1964 Cedar Point Brochure. I'm fairly certain it is not Blue Streak, but some other coaster that they superimposed the name onto. Does anyone have any ideas as to what coaster this might be?

http://rollercoasterfreak.com/Cedar_Point/1964_Blue_Streak.jpg

That's most likely Blue Streak. In it's earlier days, it went uncolored, onto white, and now it's infamous light blue color.

ha ha ha ha!! That's funny. Looks like they needed Photoshop. LOL!!

cedarpointlover said:
That's most likely Blue Streak. In it's earlier days, it went uncolored, onto white, and now it's infamous light blue color.

How could that be? Blue Streak doesn't have a right-turn anywhere in the ride, not to mention one banked like that. Seeing as how the ride was built in 1964, and that is the 1964 brochure, I'm with Jason on this one... it's not Blue Streak.

Was this not the original look to the front of the trains? Similar but not exactly the same.

*** Edited 2/18/2007 10:23:45 PM UTC by DBCP***

I belive so Doug.

This picture is fom my 1966 Souviner Book. (I belive it's the same picture.)

http://rollercoasterfreak.com/Cedar_Point/1966_Blue_Streak.jpg

*** Edited 2/18/2007 10:55:02 PM UTC by Jason Hammond***

The trains are very similar. If this was another PTC that would still only narrow us down to 71 coasters. If someone would be bold enough too say it was also a John Allen, then there would only be 6 possible coasters that were opperating before 1964.

(according to rcdb)
*** Edited 2/18/2007 11:47:26 PM UTC by Jason Hammond***

that is the blue streak, although it looks like a right turn its just how the picture appears. there was a picture that looked the same of white water landing.

^No. Its not.

google white water landing, and look at thrill network, you will see the picture i am refering to.

I don't think anyone is doubting the White Water Landing image. I know what you're talking about with that. But, there are too many features that simply aren't right in the Blue Streak image.

That isn't Blue Streak. I would be willing to put money on it.

Jason, I think I would also say that it is a John Allen coaster. Would you mind listing the 6, maybe with some pictures from RCDB?

Not to mention if it was Blue Streak, what is the building in the background? I can't think of what it could be.

Like DB just said, there are too many features that are not right to make be believe this is Blue Streak. The one that has me convinced is that fact that the picture is from `64 and the ride opened in `64.

*** Edited 2/19/2007 3:10:14 AM UTC by 99er***

I've gone through a number of coaster's and here's what I have found...

None of the other 6 Allen coasters seem to fit the bill, but that's just looking at the photos I could find on RCDB.

Here are two that seem to be the most similar of all the coasters I went through:

The Wild One at Six Flags America has a very similar turn, or so it seems. The coaster, however, was originally located at Paragon Park, where it would have been located when the photo in question would have been taken. I couldn't find any photos of the ride at Paragon though, so it's tough to say either way.

I also consider the Yankee Cannonball to be a possibility. It too has a similar turn. It also features a 3-car train as the image in question does. RCDB lists Frank F. Hoover as a Blue Streak designer as well (Quote: "Preliminary footers designed by John Allen. Frank Hoover designed the remainder."), and he also acted as the Contruction Supervisor of the Yankee Cannonball project, if that means anything. I could not, however, find any images that would show the other side of that turn; something that is vital to support or throw out this coaster as an option.

*** Edited 2/19/2007 3:41:30 AM UTC by DBCP***

I'm pretty sure it's not Wild One, so Im going to have to say that it is indeed the Yankee Cannonball. If you look in the 1964 brochure there is a building in the center of the railing and if you look in this pic (http://www.rcdb.com/ig298.htm?picture=10) you can almost make out what looks like a buliding in the distance. Plus I think the branch that's visable in the brochure pic is from the pine tree located in the turnaround.

That's my 2 cents.

I do not belive that the tree is in the same position. And it is very difficult to see if there is a building there. That doesn't mean that it isn't the Yankee Cannonball though. Trees come and go, and that picture was taken 40 years later. The tree in the center of the ride might not even have been there 40 years ago.

Not sure why I didn't think to look earlier, but I just got the new book, "Herbert Schmeck: The Forgotten Legacy." It's the second book in the designer series by ACE. Anyway, the Wild One with was originaly Giant Coaster at Paragon Park was designed by Herbery Schmeck. You see a very similar picture in this scan. And even though they used 4 car trains on Wild One, they only used 3 car trains on Giant Coaster. Also, if you notice the paint job on the side, all you need to do is change the red on top and you have the same blue white blue on the picture from the 64 brochure.

http://rollercoasterfreak.com/Cedar_Point/Giant_Coaster_Paragon_Park.jpg

And in another picture, I can't scan without ruining the binding of the book, you can see there are some houses that would be visibal from the angle of the picture in the 64 brochure.

Not sure how much time you spent Doug, but thanks. Even though it's difficult to say for sure, I'm actualy leaning toward the Giant Coaster from Paragon Park.

The biggest difference I see still is the lighting. There are bulb lights draped from the structure in the 64 Brochure pic and in the Giant Coaster Pic there is more a lamp post type light. I would say something like is a minor difference, seeing as how it opened in 1917 and was at the park until 1985, it likely went through a couple different lighting changes as technology developed.

*** Edited 2/19/2007 5:29:43 AM UTC by Jason Hammond***

It couldn't possibly have been BS. Look closely at the image, and you can easily see peeling paint and worn track.

Edit: Okay, this is bizarre. I submitted a post that was more than twice as long as this, and only these first two sentences were actually posted. Anybody experience this before?
*** Edited 2/19/2007 5:29:12 AM UTC by Ensign Smith***

Yes. I have no explination though.

Me too, but i never bothered to try to figure it out.

Oh, my bad. I just glanced at it really quick, was on the way out.