The Money Could Have Been Better Spent!

So, instead of WT, they should have built a nice CCI woodie (no, SFWOA already has one - can't do that). Maybe a great flying coaster (no, SFWOA already has one - can't do that). Darien Lake is fairly close to CP. Don't they have a hypercoaster? Then we should take Magnum down. No, wait ... S:ROS came second. It's the one that has to go. SFDL should know better ... the rule is: if a nearby park has one, it's useless to build your own ... even if it's different and/or better.

Cedar Point sells ice cream. So does SFWOA. I think one of them should get rid of ice cream and try something original. I mean, it seems I can get ice cream at any ol' amusement park. Doesn't Six Flags also have a Arrow looper? I don't have any reason to go to SFWOA because I can ride Corkscrew at CP. And both park's have Ferris wheels, too. How stupid is that?

I know! Maybe CP and SFWOA should start collaborating so that they both have completely different attractions. I think their Planning & Design departments should meet at least once a year to discuss plans.

The argument that a park shouldn't get an attraction because a nearby park has something similar is absurd. If you judge a park based on it's originality instead of it's ability to give you a great day and do something different and/or better, then you're not going to be going to very many parks.

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Well said Walt!  :)
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Listen to the man!

Having coasters similar or even slightly similar is one thing..having a basic clone and changing one simple element is another..and talk about absurd...comparing coasters to ice cream is just that....DUH! that parks have SIMILAR coasters..but basic clones from non chain parks or parks that are not related is another...maybe you dont get out much..or even to many parks...the whole point of going to different parks around the USA all year long is to get the originality..and ride the different coasters! We are not talking Mean Streak and Villian are the same..other then they are both wood..WE ARE TALKING CLONING! Alot of coasters have similarities...but not many competing parks have clones...Hamburger and Steak come from a cow..but do they taste the same?! Do you prefer one more then the other? UMMM YES cause they are two different cuts of meats that taste different..whereas....WT and Superman are basically identical (even the color that CP is using was what Six Flags original art work for Superman was going to be, not that really has anything to do with cloning) anyhow...put that in your ice cream cone and eat it.    YOU yourself proved my point ...when you said...you should like a park based on what fun they can give you and SOMETHING DIFFERENT....Hence...this is not something different..thanks for proving my point!
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*** This post was edited by tohot2se on 11/23/2001. ***

Thank you Walt, for making me that more thankful this holiday. :)

Seriously, when did we get so many economists and operations specialists here? Give me a break, Cedar Fair as a company is a very profitable company that manages to nail awards annually for the best rides and capacity.

This is, since I've been following the park hard core (circa 1998), the best opportunity they've had yet to rake in the numbers. Why? Mark my words, they'll do a dual approach to marketing that will get attention. On one hand, Wicked Twister, a single ride that will not confuse the marketplace or promise the world, just dazzle the market with a hip campaign targeted to teens and 20-somethings. On the other hand, Snoopy on Ice with another slick campaign targeted to families that have 2.2 kids and might not make a trip to Orlando.

And just a friendly newsflash that John Q. Public doesn't even know about the existance of multiple boomerangs, Impulses, etc. I doubt most can even distinguish the average out-and-back wood coaster. Hell, in high school, I though Big Dipper and Blue Streak were the same ride!

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(Yawn)   Well this John Q. Public does know and does care.  I still to this day could not even tell who made every coaster by the look of the track..which makes me the average John Q. Public..but I do know what coasters I like..what parks I go to..to ride different coasters..and this is not a different coaster.  I just hope..this only means that next year's coaster will blow me away. And in my defense incase this was directed at me or others who voice an opinion on not being happy with this ride..(probably cause they are not in the click..or not with the majority who do like the ride) I never claimed to be  an economists and/or operations specialists, I CLAIM to be unhappy with the ride..nothing more...nothing less.    Someone made this quote from another topic about another coaster being built in Germany..."It's said to reach 124 MPH! Made By Intamin, and features many ground hugging turns, sort of like something else we know..."  Seems to me Im not the only one who dont approve of competing parks using other parks coasters...
 

*** This post was edited by tohot2se on 11/23/2001. ***

What's making me *yawn* is your boring attempt to persuade everyone that this ride is a flop..If you dont like the ride, fine make your say and move on. But your repetitive posts on how boring this ride is just making you look bad.

Not attempting to persuade anyone, where did you get that conclusion from?...made my point...people asked questions...answered those questions or defended my statement. The way I look at it, I should be able to make a statement without others ripping me up for it. Thats the point of the website to voice opinions not rip others for their opinions.  I have yet to rip someone for their own opinion..just made my own, and defending my right to make that opinion without someone ripping me apart. Hence the many posts... as far as looking bad...Didnt really know this was some sort of a beauty contest...Thought it was an expression of opinions...and where did you get the statement that I said the ride was boring?? Dont recall saying that one...said I didnt like the fact that we are getting a ride thats around the cornor, the ride is a great ride...rode it several times last year was just hoping for something different...how about reading my posts and not putting words in my mouth thanks
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*** This post was edited by tohot2se on 11/23/2001. ***

Jeff, very true, I was thinking that their advertising campaign still might be something along the lines of "2 new attraction in 2002."

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*** This post was edited by CP_bound on 11/23/2001. ***

tohotse wrote:....Thought it was an expression of opinions.

Sure it is...But when it you keep expressing your so called opinion over and over again, it gets kinda boring dont you think. It's weird when you responded to Gemini in saying he/she doesnt get out much..Maybe its you who needs to get out some, cause of your opposition over a clone coaster. Like Jeff said, what rule says you CANNOT clone another ride from a nearby park. Its just a coaster, tohotse. geez.

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Wí¢këÐ Twî§të® said:
it would be kewl to have water fountains shooting up the spike and getting shorter as the train goes down 2 make it look like ur gonna get wet, and then spray u a bit when u hit the bottom...

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So you mean like a "Roller Soaker?" j/k.  It is a good idea though.  Here's my 2 cents (or maybe 3):  I was disappointed with both HersheyPark's and Cedar Point's announcement.  I do love the ride at SFWOA, but i think CP needed something else.  This ride plus, say a woodie, would have made for a great addition.  I am not disappointed with WT itself, but CP needed something to add to this announcement.

My take on it is CP took a ride that a lot of people enjoy, tweaked it a bit, but left it mostly alone since it already does well, and put it in the park so those who like the ride, but would rather go to CP, can ride it.  I'm sure this is going to be taken wrong, but oh well.  Myself, I've loved CP for a long time.  I've never been to WoA, but was thinking of going to ride Superman mostly, but since I've never been there I would be going to enjoy the park.  Now that CP is building WT, the chances of me going to WoA have changed a bit.  Nothing against WoA, but one of the rides they have that I want to try, now a similar ride is at my favorite park.  I think something like that is what they're banking on.  Also, as was mentioned before, some people live closer to CP than WoA.  This gives them an opportunity to ride w/o going to SF.  Just my 2 cents.
As Jeff stated, I'm no expert when it comes to park operations.  I'm a financial advisor, that's what I know.  In this respect, CF is an excellent company, and they truely know what they are doing.  Had I not lost my job a while back, I'd still be a shareholder.  I had to sell my shares to cover my bills, and my CF shares were my only holdings that I wasn't in the red.  That should tell you something.  No matter what the rest of the economy is doing, Cedar Fair is always going up.  That's a sign that those who follow the business aspect of CF know that CF knows what they're doing. 
Enough of my rant, I'm out...
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*** This post was edited by ucsigep on 11/26/2001. ***

While I don't think this ride is a bad fit for CP per se, I can't help wishing it had been a taller/faster/longer version of Setpoint's Swing Thing--especially a wet version. 

But for $9 million, I can say without question that I never ever EVER want to see this ride go up at VF.  Ever.  I'd much rather see them build a Boomerang, an ST clone and hold on to the couple miliion bucks left over.

Just my opinion.

-CPlaya

(whose local PT cost $9 million, too)

You would want a boomerang over WT? You're crazy!

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For CP, absolutely not....but for a park whose only looping coaster is a Corkscrew (think CP's minus hill #2 and with a helix), yes!

-CPlaya