Stoped at the top?????

yes but it is possible that it would just stop so that middle of the train would be at the exact middle. Because if the middle of the train is at the exact top then the weight would be evenly on each side and gravity would basically have no effect. I really can't explain it to well. Its a very unlikely that it will happen but its possible.

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Someone help me i'm in denial about Project 2003.

I have examined a pic that I had found at I think was CP web site that shows a close up of the tower and tophat. It doesn't show any form of brakes or parts atached to the track at any point except for at the tophat. Though the tophat does not look to have brakes there either.

So tell me coaster runner how they would secure the train so they could unload the passengers seeing as how most riders wont be tightrope walkers. One movement and the train falls and if someone had a released restraint and was trying to get to the stairs they would have a nice 120 mph meeting with the ground below. Don't be silly.

I don't believe that there are so in the case that the train would get stuck i'm sure they have a plan to lock the train in place.

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Someone help me i'm in denial about Project 2003.

And send one rider at a time down a maintanance elevator instead of hoisting them over the hat. In any case all it takes is a nano meter of movement to send it over one or another side. getting stuck on a hill with no brakes is folley.

I do know that thats why i stated that it had to happen at the exact middle of the train. And I also stated that if there are no brakes up there i'm sure cedar point has a system to hold there train there. How would they get them over the top hat? More than likely that would take a crane which I don't think they are gonna keep at Cedar Point.

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Someone help me i'm in denial about Project 2003.

But all i am saying is that it wont get stuck and if it did, a little wind, a little rider movement, and a little tower sayage and its coming down. And further more there IS no way for cedar point to secure an 8 ton train without brakes. never the less it cannot get stuck at th crest it can only valley.

trust me it can get stuck on the top i'm a physics major. And its totally possible there could be something on the train they could activate that would lock the wheels.
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Someone help me i'm in denial about Project 2003.

Trust me i am a Mechanical Engineer major with a minor in structural. Class of 04 Texas A&M WHOOP!. I have already begun internships and i am in talks with S&S for a future career. Right now i am part time prostock drag racer and car builder. The problem with physics majors is you guys dont look at real world solutions you just make theories. Even though i have respect for your major, everything applies to vacuum conditions and averages not real world mechanics. Take it from someone who works with the physical margin of error that most physics guys ingnore. I design devices that work in the real world.
*** This post was edited by Fluidcoasters 1/6/2003 4:03:57 PM ***

I was wondering about that if the wind slowed it to where it would start rolling backwards over the top, wouldn't there be brakes, and maybe something to boost it over the top. Maybe something that the speed of a boost could be adjusted to meet wind resistance. But all that guessing without knowing the speed that it will crest the top with.

Yes it is possible to happen. What happens is that after the train clears the launch area brakes pop up just incase the train does not clear the top hat.

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Someone help me i'm in denial about Project 2003.

NO i did the calculations with wind and air resistance.

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Someone help me i'm in denial about Project 2003.

Well it will be interesting to learn everything once they announce it. I hope they have been creating a backlog of construction photos and construction diary entries....

But it wont get stuck at the top. What calculations did you have to use to to say that it could get stuck at the top seeing as how there is nothing to calculate there. Further more, if you were a REAL physics major you would know that air resistance is a form of friction which can only be calculated if you know what the coefficiant of friction is and thats determined by density of the air and wind velocity, direction and duration all of which you CANNOT know unless you have a anamometer, hydrometer, and a weather vien up there. And plus, why would you need to calculate friction if it is " stuck" or not moving? If you aren't a physics major, don't pretend you are.

Here coaster runner why dont you write out the law of conservation of energy and what is it used for in coaster calculations. And also what equation do you use to determine G forces? Tell me that physics major.

Unless there is an equipment failure with the trains, and a wheel makes it grind to a halt up there, it will fall back down to earth.

Just as it's hard as it is to start to set a multi-ton train in motion, it's hard to stop it as well. If it would climb the tower, after it hits a velocity of 0, it would immediately start back up, in this case probably in reverse.

The chances of it stopping with equal weight displacement up there is slim to none. It aint gonna happen...has Xcelerators trains stopped on the tophat? No...they don't even have utility catwalks up there, they are so confident in the design.

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What is most anticipated event of 2003? the debut of # 16, the release of Metallica's new album, the release of Terminator 3, or the release of Matrix:Reloaded...tough call.
*** This post was edited by CP_bound 1/6/2003 4:35:18 PM ***

Could'nt agree more...

Maybe its just a guide to help the train be steady over the top??

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I'm not an old fogey, I'm just an old coaster rider..

Like before when someone asked about why a platform was placed at the top #16, is just for maintanence, and observation. Its like any othe coaster. Just because it has a walkway doesn't mean hat it has to have brakes up there. Anyways if the train were to get stuck at the top and there were breaks to lock it up there. It may possibly cause the tophat to sway quite a bit.

don't you think?

No brakes, no reason, not getting stuck, doesnt need to be steady, its on Intamin track lol.