Space Spiral in future??

But Disney World has four or five parks, I doubt daily attendance is 53,000 at Magic Kingdom, probably closer to 10 to 15 thousand.

^This. Magic Kingdom is not pulling in 53,000 people in a day, any day of the year. Ever been to Cedar Point when attendance is close to 50,000? You can hardly move left or right and Cedar Point is a MUCH larger park, in every way, than Magic Kingdom. So using Magic Kingdom, from a daily attendance standpoint, is a good comparison.

No, the average daily attendance at MK is over 52000. Epcot averages about 31000, and HS and AK average 28000+.

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The park might receive 50,000 in/out at the turnstiles but that will never be an in-park total. With the amount of people coming and going on a daily basis (leaving for EPCOT, hotel, etc), the turnstile count will be very high but that won't represent the amount of people in the park at any given time. Pete's numbers are more accurate for what will be in the park and eating at one of the 10 restaurants.

Now on Cedar Point's busiest day they will reach an in-park total of 50,000+ because people are not leaving the gate to visit another park on the same ticket like at Disney World. Once they enter the gate, they are staying to get their monies worth.

I forgot, never let facts get in the way of a good story.

Magic Kingdom alone had 19.3 million visitors in 2014 and is open the entire year, thus 19.3Million/365 = 52,876 guests per day. The same year Cedar Point had 3,250,000 visitors and was open roughly 130 days, 3.25 Million/130 = 25,000 guests per day.

No one can seriously compare crowd sizes at Disney World to those of Cedar Point, its not even remotely close.

Let me know what day there will only be 10-15,000 at Magic Kingdom, I'll fly down for sure to enjoy it on that day.

Since we are taking facts here, you DO know how Disney counts visitors compared to Cedar Point right?

99er said:
Since we are taking facts here, you DO know how Disney counts visitors compared to Cedar Point right?

How do they count visitors?

I think SS's ridership was down in the end due to disrepair, the view obstructed by DT, and the location somewhat off the beaten path. I think there would definitely be a market for a new one with a great location/view. While WS is relatively tame, try telling that to seniors and the non-thrill ride crowd. I've heard many people, including 30-somethings, exclaim "hell no!" Upon seeing windseeker.

I think a Polar Coaster tower would be a great fit in what is/was challange park and add to the resorts. The observation deck/restaurant or bar on top served by glass elevators would please everyone and coaster riders would probably enjoy a ride down in the coaster.

Agree that polar coaster looks intriguing, but that is an Intamin product, yes? With no proven installations? I suspect hell would freeze over and bring us a new a Eagles album before Ouimet would order one of those from Sandor & Co.

S&S makes Poler Coasters, but I think Intamin is just doing the Orlando one, if it ever happens.

Those are crazy expensive. I doubt Cedar Point would spend that kind of money.

According to Screamscape, the Skyscaper polercoaster in Orlando was originally set to be built by Intamin but S&S took over.

EDIT: Looks like I got that backwards. My bad.

That's backwards, it was rumored that S&S would be building it but last summer the developer named Intamin as the manufacturer.

Simply dividing MK's yearly total by diem ignores all the nuance. As 99er said, people park hop at WDW; see the animals in the morning, go to a water park during the heat of the day then MK for the fireworks. One person can be in the click count for multiple parks on a single day, or the same park multiple times; you get to the park at noon, decide its too crowded and come back after 7 or 8.

Secondly, there most assuredly are days where attendance at MK is in the 15k range: January, parts of February, May, September through Thanksgiving, anytime that is outside a traditional school beak. There certainly aren't 50,000+ people at the Magic Kingdom on the second Tuesday in September that I can guarantee you.

Straight attendance is an especially poor comparison when you account for the fact that Cedar Fair almost never releases property specific numbers.

Cedarpoint4lyfe said:

How do they count visitors?

Cedar Point:
20,000 tickets come through the turnstiles. Attendance for the day = 20,000.

Magic Kingdom:
20,000 tickets come through the turnstiles. By noon 5,000 people leave for EPCOT and return later for fireworks. Attendance for the day = 25,000.

Cedar Point counts the highest number of tickets that enter the park for the day, not the number of "clicks" on the turnstiles.

You also have to take into account the events that Magic Kingdom offers for 4 months out of the year. Attendance could be 40,000 people for the day, plus another 25,000 for the evening event which is going to give you 65,000 to add to your yearly total. For four months out of the year the park basically gets to double its attendance numbers.

Just as We said above and I have already said, Magic Kingdom can and does see 15,000 and its not a rare thing. It happens in the slow season, which is a real despite what some people want to believe. I have been there for those kinda days.

Of course I'm not saying the MK gets 53000 visitors each and everyday. I said what their total attendance was for a year, then divided that number by the days in a year to come up with average daily attendance.

I too have been to MK with very small crowds, and I have also been there during phased closing events. I have seen the MK 12,000 space lot full ( same size as CP by the way, including CP overflow lots) and nearly empty other times.

To say that the Magic Kingdom never has anywhere close to 50,000 in the park at any time would be erroneous. While Disney keeps the actual numbers very closely guarded it is widely speculated that maximum capacity was designed in the vicinity of 80,000. Now, the actual number that they allow at any time is a huge debate, I've seen that many times on Disney forums.

Pete said:

I think a Polar Coaster tower would be a great fit in what is/was challange park and add to the resorts. The observation deck/restaurant or bar on top served by glass elevators would please everyone and coaster riders would probably enjoy a ride down in the coaster.

That's a great idea which I could really get behind. On a Engineering tangent, the footers to support such a tower in Cedar Point's sandy soil would have to monstrous!

You betcha, don't want that tower sinking like Magnum.

Footers really wouldn't be any bigger of an undertaking than the ones for the swampland that is Florida.