Soak city

TwistedWicker77 said:

...CP and SC are a strict based piece of land...

I'm not sure exactly what you mean -- but Cedar Point is private property and like any owner of private property gets to establish rules and conditions.

...where if anything brought in from "the outside world" is frowned upon, and consequentially stealing.

Oops I put my $4 bottle of sunblock on while at the beach last week instead of paying $12 for it at the gift shop. Call the police!

Cedar Point explicitly prohibits guests from bringing in their own food or drinks, on their website, on signs at the park and elsewhere.

The park does not prohibit guests from bringing in their own sunblock, sunglasses, shirts, beach towels, keychains, what have you. Bringing "anything" in from outside is not frowned upon and is not stealing.

But guests bringing in food or drink are choosing to flout the park's rules. Stealing? Debatable. Wrong? Yes.

CeeJay7 said:
Some one explain this one, how can you buy a warm draft beer from the bubbles swim up bar for $ 9.98.But when I went to cedar point,I noticed you could get the some draft beer in the same cup for $ 8.29.Then when I went to famous daves recently I noticed that the for a tall cold draft beer for $ 6.29.How can cedar point charge 3 different price all for a draft bud light? Can some one please explain how works.

Supply and demand. You pay $9.98 at Bubbles and $6.29 at Famous Dave's because customers at those locations are willing to pay those prices.

^Noggin is absolutely correct. I do not get how you don't understand they can and do have different price points at different locations.

Anyway in regard to the drinking at Soak City:

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4301.62

This should end the crazy bickering about this-

According to Ohio State Statutes you are breaking the law-

Anyone possessing an open intoxicant, on a premise that is licensed to sell intoxicants, that has not been lawfully purchased at that premise is in violation of the law.

End of discussion, it's not just a Cedar Point rule or regulation, it is State law.

I'm from Wisconsin and it is also the law here as well and I'd assume in almost every state.

I amend my post to read: "Stealing? Debatable. Illegal? Yes."

I amend this post to include a smiley face. :-)

Here is thought for the bubbles snitcher:

Jesus and Peter had a conversation that got around to this subject. After making breakfast on the shore of Galilee, Jesus told Peter what would happen at the end of his life. Pointing at another disciple, Peter asked, "What about him''Jesus responded, "What is that to you? ''That is the question I need to ask myself when I compare myself to others.The answer is"None Of my business.'' My business is to follow Jesus and to be faithful. Praise The Lord

"Snitcher" Really?

The Ohio State Statutes regarding this matter also apply in reverse to the licensee and the licensed servers as well.

If they allow the possession of open intoxicants not purchased at said premises, they are violating the law and risk license suspension/ revocation and fines.

And this applies to the individual servers and the actual license holder (in this case CP). It is not a defense for CP to simply have a policy in effect against this, if one of their employees is knowingly allowing this to happen it risks the license. In, addition, each license has a registered agent that is ultimately the one that appears in court and is responsible for the licensed premises. Any licenses held with that individual as a registered agent or in any corporate capacity would also be at risk.

Cedar Point probably operates with several licenses throughout the park and are most likely under one registered agent. Therefore every license could be at risk for suspension and fines- think of those lost $$$. Not so minimal in the grand scheme of things for a $1 Billion /annum corporation.

There are also health department codes in regards to bringing in outside food and drink into an establishment that serves food, such as Cedar Point, so yes, there are regulations against doing so. While it is a violation of certain laws it most certainly is not theft.

To me, theft Is very serious, and it doesn't matter if it is a billion dollar company or a corner store. However, It is absolutely absurd and ridiculous to attempt to call someone who brought outside food and drink into Cedar Point a thief. The entire lost profit argument because I brought my own hot dog into the park and therefore stole the equivalent value of a Pinks hot dog is laughable.

I would never use thief as a word to describe the person/ persons.
Criminal- yes, definitely, according to state statutes. And you would be prosecuted at the statutory level by the state as a criminal complaint, not as a misdemeanor.

Violating this statute would put at jeopardy your ability to hold/obtain a license to sell hold for a premise or even be a bartender/server in the state of Ohio.

It would even easier put at risk the current Licenses of any servers working at the time
Of the criminal complaint .

And don't think that CP is immune from compliance checks by the state, they got caught for cigarette sales to minors in May, which is why the reduced cigarette sales to only the marina and RV stores.

Referring to this as theft is patently absurd. By that logic, every person who consumes outside food or beverage in their hotel room, camper, boat or car instead of purchasing a meal from the park is guilty of theft.

Secondly, I dont know of any drinkers who are hardcore enough to sneak booze into an amusement park who then ignore the libations the park is selling. If you are that in need of alcohol, you aren't going to be satiated by the limited supplies you can sneak in and will almost certainly be buying a few $9.00 Bud Lights anyway.

in that case anyone caught speeding is also a criminal as that too is a violation of state law.

Everyone is guilty at some point of violating a law, calling everyone a criminal trivializes the issue for the real criminals. If I see that someone was convicted of stealing from Cedar Point, and another person who was convicted of sneaking alcohol into Cedar Point there is most definitely a difference between these 2 crimes. All other things being equal id use criminal for the thief, not the alcohol sneaker.

You are clearly understating the difference between misdemeanor infractions and statuatory level offenses. States take the sale and procurement of alcohol very seriously.

While I will suggest that this individual incident wouldn't be prosecuted at a heavy handed level, it would plead down to disorderly conduct most likely.
Repeated offenses of the same type or the one individual offense with extenuating (ie. An overly intoxicated person getting into an accident/ underage serving/ hospitalization ) circumstances would be prosecuted fully.

The crime here would most likely affect the the individual servers with fines and license suspending. CP would likely get a letter of notice and a fine., with further violations resulting in additional forfeitures and license suspensions.

We-o-we-oooo said:

...every person who consumes outside food or beverage in their hotel room, camper, boat or car instead of purchasing a meal from the park is guilty of theft.

How so? If they're in their hotel room, camper, boat or car, they're by definition not inside any park gates and so not in violation of the posted restrictions.

^^ I'd be willing to bet that one being caught with alcohol inside Cedar Point that was not purchased at Cedar Point would not be prosecuted at all. That is of course without any extenuating circumstances. An injury accident/underage drinking incident is a completely different level of an occurrence than what is being discussed here. A person or persons walking around Cedar Point consuming alcoholic beverages they did not purchase there are far from criminals.

I completely agree under regular circumstances.

However there are times when it would apply, completely out of CPs discretion, such as a compliance check such as was done with cigarette sting. In which case, it would be a criminal offense and the state agency would be under pressure to get prosecutions.

Liqour laws are a convoluted mess, there's no doubt about that. The reason why I joined this discussion was more in regards to the comment that people bringing their own drinks into CP is theft because it takes profit away from CP. By that logic anyone who brings food in must also be guilty of theft. While there are indeed open container laws for alcohol in Ohio there are not open containers laws for bags of Doritos.

Bottom line, bringing either alcohol or Doritos into CP is not theft in any way shape, or form. Bringing alcohol into the park can get you into legal trouble, bringing in Doritos, not so much.

Cedar Point prohibits guests from bringing outside drink or food into the park. Whether there are open container laws for either is rather beside the point.

Cedar Point can prohibit whatever they feel like prohibiting, that does not make one a criminal for violating what Cedar Point prohibits. None of what I mentioned is besides the point when people try to equate bringing outside food or drink into Cedar Point as stealing from Cedar Point.

As XS Nightclub noted above, bringing alcohol into Cedar Point or Soak City is a criminal act. Which pretty much makes the person who does so a criminal.

Open container violations (ones that dont involve other crimes liked DUI) are not part of the criminal code; I don't know how that conclusion was arrived at. No jurisdiction anywhere has the resources or inclination to arrest and prosecute an individual solely for drinking a Molson they bought at Meijer instead of Last Chance. Doing so is a civil infraction, subject to fines and other recompense as prescribed by the Ohio code, but it is not a criminal offense.

The distinction of being 'inside' the park is irrelevant; the prohibition-as per the wording on both the website and the brochures-applies to bringing alcohol onto Cedar Point property, not into the park itself. Cedar Point property begins as soon as you turn off Cleveland Rd. onto either the Causeway or the Chausee, so either this statue is being misinterpreted, misapplied or flat out ignored, or every single person who has brought a six pack to have in their room or a bottle of sangria to enjoy on the boat has been in violation of Ohio liquor laws.

Speed limits and other moving violations are also a violation of state law. So if we want to say someone violating an open container law is pretty much a criminal, then everyone who has violated any other statute or state law, such as moving violations is also a criminal.

Under Ohio law an open container violation is a minor misdemeanor (unless it involves a vehicle) which is the exact same level of charge as a speeding ticket, the maximum penalty is a $150 fine. A violation of an open container law inside of a vehicle is a 4th degree misdemeanor.

So yes, under Ohio law bringing alcohol into Cedar Point is breaking the law, and it is the exact same level of offense as driving 56MPH in a 50MPH zone.

Hardened criminals indeed...

EDIT:

The penalties for violations of a title 43 offense are listed in section 4301.99.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4301.99

I'm going to guess that the wording of the brochure stating you can not bring alcohol onto the property instead of just the park is that way not because they intend to Kick you out for having your own beer in your hotel room or camper so much as they would like to have that option as a way of kicking you out if you were to be a problem in some way that doesn't fit neatly within one of the other rules but appears mildly alcohol related.