Smoking in line
I use to smoke but I HATE the way smoke smells. It is rude and discusting to do it in cramped corriders like in a line. TOHOT2SE *I am aware of my surroundings and if someone asks, or if I notice that someone is bothered by it without being ignornant about it, I put it out!* If you are acting ignornant by disobying the rules and smoking in line of course people are going to be ignornant back at you. I understand you smoking outside of the lines but please for the sake of others lungs don't do it. I know alot of people who have severe allergic reactions to cig smoke and can even go into respiratory distress and have a need for the use of an eppi pen (which my father is one of them they are also carried for bee stings). SO Please for that sake don't do it!!!
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I have yet to have anyone be ignorant about it (nor have I ever got ignorant)CPlove, nor have I had anyone ask me to put it out other then one security person, which I did. I smoke a cig in line when there for longer then an hour. And im not in someones face when I am doing this. And yes this is breaking the rules, I just have the guts to admit I do. And I respect the fact that some people can not tollerate it. Therefore thats why I dont do it through the whole line. Everyone breaks the rules sometimes about something! I guess I can chill in the lines, but as far as when not in lines, thats where i draw the line :) Hi, my name is Darla, and I am a smoker!
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The more you ride it, the more you want it!
~~~Darla~~~
I am also a smoker and I really dont see the need to smoke while waiting in line. 9 times out of 10 if you work, the place you are employed at doesnt allow it so you go outside. I really dont think your boss would allow you to go outside and smoke when you please so it is really not that different from refraining from lighting up when in line. Society today looks down on smoking more than it ever has so if you do smoke(myself included), you are just going to have to abide by the no smoking rules.
I too understand the smoking in line situation. I feel that the Magnum is the worst line to stand in (closely followed by the Raptor) in terms of dealing with smoke. Yes, I am a non-smoker talking and I get sick from the tobacco and therefore I would appreciate it if more people obeyed the signs... but we can't get everything we want. Anyway, I just hope that people don't smoke in the MF queues because I will kindly ask them to put it out... Hope I will help everyone to have a more enjoyable wait for the best coaster in the world!!!
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2000 Millennium Force Ride Operator!!!
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2000 Millennium Force Ride Operator!!!
Tohot2se, If you are down to a half to one pack a day then I dont see how you cant get your nicotine fix prior to getting in line even if it is a hour wait. I appreciate it when you kill the cig when asked but should someone be forced to ask you in the first place?
Being in close quarters in a queue with someone smoking whether you are blowing it in someones face or not still stinks. Lets face it, you dont have any control of wind direction. Or would you mind it if you were near where I was in line and I ripped off a couple wallpaper peeling, eye watering farts. You know, the ones that smell like rottten eggs. I dont think you would appreciate it too much. Should you then be required to ask me to please stop farting?
Please be courteous to others and refrain from smoking while in line. Besides, its the rules. *** This post was edited by MaxAirTime on 5/2/2000. ***
Being in close quarters in a queue with someone smoking whether you are blowing it in someones face or not still stinks. Lets face it, you dont have any control of wind direction. Or would you mind it if you were near where I was in line and I ripped off a couple wallpaper peeling, eye watering farts. You know, the ones that smell like rottten eggs. I dont think you would appreciate it too much. Should you then be required to ask me to please stop farting?
Please be courteous to others and refrain from smoking while in line. Besides, its the rules. *** This post was edited by MaxAirTime on 5/2/2000. ***
Oh I guess Im the only one here who has ever smoked in line, or is that I am the only one who has admitted I have? The excuse of not wanting to smoke OUTSIDE in line, doesnt hold water with me, due to the fact that if you have ever been to the park on most busy summer weekends your pretty much shoulder to shoulder with everyone, whether you in a line or walking down the midway. I dont see the difference between the two, being that your outside in close quaters in either situation.
Lets just get politically correct about it all then, smoking is legal, by YOUR government, we can no longer smoke indoors, cool, so now we have to smoke outdoors, cool! Then lets be politically correct all around! Lets not have any beer in the park for you know someone is going to drive home drunk, and I have to drive these roads home too and HAVE NO CHOICE, nor do I know which ones are drunk! Lets stop these teen girls from wearing biknni tops that are too small in front of the kids in the park, Its a familly park you know, lets stop these teenages from gropeing one anohter in lines in front of kids, and hey while we are at it, put in mental dectors, and for an added bounus, lets stop makind wooden roller coaster, for this uses lots of tress, which leads to depleted ozone! Now that we are all politically correct lets have no fun and spend the day complaining about one another!
Acutually Max, I have never had anyone ask me to put one out, the only one, like I stated was a sercurity cop, and when he did ask me to put it out in Magnum line, everyone booed the serurity officer, and this included non smokers, this isnt as popular of a rule as everyone is trying to make it out to be, or at least it sure wasnt that day!
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The more you ride it, the more you want it!
~~~Darla~~~ *** This post was edited by tohot2se on 5/2/2000. ***
Lets just get politically correct about it all then, smoking is legal, by YOUR government, we can no longer smoke indoors, cool, so now we have to smoke outdoors, cool! Then lets be politically correct all around! Lets not have any beer in the park for you know someone is going to drive home drunk, and I have to drive these roads home too and HAVE NO CHOICE, nor do I know which ones are drunk! Lets stop these teen girls from wearing biknni tops that are too small in front of the kids in the park, Its a familly park you know, lets stop these teenages from gropeing one anohter in lines in front of kids, and hey while we are at it, put in mental dectors, and for an added bounus, lets stop makind wooden roller coaster, for this uses lots of tress, which leads to depleted ozone! Now that we are all politically correct lets have no fun and spend the day complaining about one another!
Acutually Max, I have never had anyone ask me to put one out, the only one, like I stated was a sercurity cop, and when he did ask me to put it out in Magnum line, everyone booed the serurity officer, and this included non smokers, this isnt as popular of a rule as everyone is trying to make it out to be, or at least it sure wasnt that day!
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The more you ride it, the more you want it!
~~~Darla~~~ *** This post was edited by tohot2se on 5/2/2000. ***
Rules are ignored when they become accessive and unreasonable.
When I was a kid, the speed limit was 70 mph. This speed was a resasonable limit, and thus, was obeyed by most. When the speed limit was lowered to 55mph, the law was pretty much ignored by most. In fact, the rule of 55 mph, was the most broken law in the USA, and finally deemed unrealistic and unreasonable. Most states today have a 65 mph, or 75 mph highway limit.
The tale of CP's smoking laws are very similliar. When I was a teenage, smoking was allowed in the open areas of the lines. The general rule was that if the queue ran underneath something, or led inside, you could not smoke, due to smoke being trapped in that area. But if the queue was OUTSIDE, where smoke would rise and blow away, you were allowed to smoke. This was a reasonable and fair rule for smokers and non smokers alike, and thus, was obeyed by most! This rule is still the norm, in the park industry. Most all Six FLags, Paramount, and Busch Gardens parks have the old CP smoking rule today.
Magnum's line, is a fine example of why excessive rules are ignored. To say there is not enough fresh air to breathe, when your standing outside, with a 15pmh wind off Lake Erie, is a little hard for smokers to buy. (Its not reasonable) You can only expect reasonable rules to be obeyed. People will not smoke in the IMAX, because its enclosed. Thats a reasonable rule! But those same people will smoke in Magnums line despite tons of security because its an unresonable rule. You'll never get people to follow a rule they feel is unreasonable.
Its time to face the facts, every year since the new smoking rule was instated, this has become more and more of a problem. And worse yet, it creates a "us" against "them" atmosphere. The new smoking rule is simply not working. The old rule, worked much better and the rest of the park industry follows those guidelines anyway. Its time to bring back the old smoking rule. A reasonable smoking rule we can all live with.
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~~Steven~~
When I was a kid, the speed limit was 70 mph. This speed was a resasonable limit, and thus, was obeyed by most. When the speed limit was lowered to 55mph, the law was pretty much ignored by most. In fact, the rule of 55 mph, was the most broken law in the USA, and finally deemed unrealistic and unreasonable. Most states today have a 65 mph, or 75 mph highway limit.
The tale of CP's smoking laws are very similliar. When I was a teenage, smoking was allowed in the open areas of the lines. The general rule was that if the queue ran underneath something, or led inside, you could not smoke, due to smoke being trapped in that area. But if the queue was OUTSIDE, where smoke would rise and blow away, you were allowed to smoke. This was a reasonable and fair rule for smokers and non smokers alike, and thus, was obeyed by most! This rule is still the norm, in the park industry. Most all Six FLags, Paramount, and Busch Gardens parks have the old CP smoking rule today.
Magnum's line, is a fine example of why excessive rules are ignored. To say there is not enough fresh air to breathe, when your standing outside, with a 15pmh wind off Lake Erie, is a little hard for smokers to buy. (Its not reasonable) You can only expect reasonable rules to be obeyed. People will not smoke in the IMAX, because its enclosed. Thats a reasonable rule! But those same people will smoke in Magnums line despite tons of security because its an unresonable rule. You'll never get people to follow a rule they feel is unreasonable.
Its time to face the facts, every year since the new smoking rule was instated, this has become more and more of a problem. And worse yet, it creates a "us" against "them" atmosphere. The new smoking rule is simply not working. The old rule, worked much better and the rest of the park industry follows those guidelines anyway. Its time to bring back the old smoking rule. A reasonable smoking rule we can all live with.
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~~Steven~~
There is a HUGE difference between smoking out of line and smoking in line. If you're smoking in the queue, the people around you are forced to either put up with your smoking blowing in their faces for 5 minutes, forced to ask you to stop, which is something a LOT of people are uncomfortable doing, or they can leave the queue. That's not fair...the people in the line with you have just as much a right to stay in line as you do, and since YOU are the one breaking the rules, they shouldn't have to ask, nor leave the line, nor put up with it! If you're smoking outside the line, even in very close quarters, people can move away from you and not cause any problems. Most people won't worry about the lost 15 seconds from taking a very slight detour away from smokers while walking in the park...however, in line, the options are: 1)choke or 2) Get out of line and lose 45 minutes of time they just waited...plus the time it takes to get back to that spot in the line. Damn...it can't be that hard to smoke right before you get in line, then light up right after you get off.
Jman
Jman
Steven: None of the major park chains permit smoking in line. Not one.
What I see here is a lack of basic human respect. The truth is, I'm forced to stand next to you because I want to ride. There are very real health issues aside from second-hand smoke, namely allergies. Myself included, I know a lot of people who break in to sneezing fits everytime they get near the stuff. I love to go to concerts, but sometime I have a hard time in the smaller enclosed venues. There's no way that's going to change, so please do me a favor and keep it away from me in the amusement park.
Funny how I still laugh about farting. That'll be funny 'til I die. But unless you can hear it, farting in line is no laughing matter!
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Jeff
Webmaster/Guide to The Point
Park visits May 6, 7, 10, 11, 13, 14, 16, etc...
What I see here is a lack of basic human respect. The truth is, I'm forced to stand next to you because I want to ride. There are very real health issues aside from second-hand smoke, namely allergies. Myself included, I know a lot of people who break in to sneezing fits everytime they get near the stuff. I love to go to concerts, but sometime I have a hard time in the smaller enclosed venues. There's no way that's going to change, so please do me a favor and keep it away from me in the amusement park.
Funny how I still laugh about farting. That'll be funny 'til I die. But unless you can hear it, farting in line is no laughing matter!
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Jeff
Webmaster/Guide to The Point
Park visits May 6, 7, 10, 11, 13, 14, 16, etc...
I have to disagree TooFast. Smoking in the queues is a not that much of a problem becuase most people (like 99.9%) obey the rules of the park. Just because you think that the rules are excessive still does not justify breaking them. I would suggest that if you feel this way that you take up the issue with CP directly.
Just for your info, the reason the speed limit was raised was not due to the fact that everyone broke the law, it was due to the fact that cars have become increasingly safer.
But remember that if you knowingly choose to break the rules, be prepared to take your punishment even if that includes removal from the park.
Toohot, there is a big difference between smoking while walking in the park and standing in a line. At least when I am out in the park, I can choose to walk in a different direction to get away from the smoke. When in line, you dont have that choice. I dont think that it is asking to much to exercise a some common courtesy here.
But would you please explain to me why you cant enjoy your cigarette before getting in line. If the non-smokers dont understand the addiction, please explain. As I said in the last post, if you are down to less than a pack a day, why cant you hold off for that period of time that you in the queue.
Just for your info, the reason the speed limit was raised was not due to the fact that everyone broke the law, it was due to the fact that cars have become increasingly safer.
But remember that if you knowingly choose to break the rules, be prepared to take your punishment even if that includes removal from the park.
Toohot, there is a big difference between smoking while walking in the park and standing in a line. At least when I am out in the park, I can choose to walk in a different direction to get away from the smoke. When in line, you dont have that choice. I dont think that it is asking to much to exercise a some common courtesy here.
But would you please explain to me why you cant enjoy your cigarette before getting in line. If the non-smokers dont understand the addiction, please explain. As I said in the last post, if you are down to less than a pack a day, why cant you hold off for that period of time that you in the queue.
Hey ToofastGM3
If I see you in line smoking believe ME I will ask you to stop. Some of the other thing you metioned about being PC are true. But I have never heard of someone getting cancer or other illnesses from be gropeing or watching someone be groped in line. The part about wearing bikini tops is not any worse then the kids can see on most any city street or TV show. The Alcohol part would not bother me one bit if they banned it in the PARKS and in socitey in genreal but that is another issue.
If I see you in line smoking believe ME I will ask you to stop. Some of the other thing you metioned about being PC are true. But I have never heard of someone getting cancer or other illnesses from be gropeing or watching someone be groped in line. The part about wearing bikini tops is not any worse then the kids can see on most any city street or TV show. The Alcohol part would not bother me one bit if they banned it in the PARKS and in socitey in genreal but that is another issue.
I think smokers fail to realize sometimes just how foul of a stench they create, even outdoors. One day last summer, while standing in line for Magnum, someone about 10 people down lite up. The smell, and the irritation from the smoke, was very noticable and annoying. A queue line is a confining space, smoking in line is just as irritating to many non-smokers as smoking indoors is. The rules say don't smoke, please show respect to everyone around you by not smoking. Smoking only occasionally is not good enough. If people drink beer, they don't spray it around in line, it only goes down the inviduals throat. If they get drunk and obnoxious, they will get thrown out of the park. I can't choose who to stand next to in line, if I want to ride I have to stand in line. Smokers can choose to not smoke.
I'm sure this was mentioned earlier, but think if you have a person with bad allergies or asthma in front of you, or behind you. I know. If they get hit in the face with some smoke, or if they are around it for long enough, they can have an asthma attack, or the rest of their day can be miserable. Think about others in line, not just yourself.
Anyone who has never smoked, please read this.
Okay - we've all come to the conclusion that smoking in line is discouraged upon and not allowed at CP. Personally, I would never do it - I think it's inconsiderate of other people and that's fine. I can wait.
However, that being said, if you were to ask me to put it out along the midway or in a "non-queue" area, I would tell you to get lost. You're outside for crying out loud!!! If you don't like it, don't walk next to me. If you don't like that, take it up with CP 'cause it's not getting put out. Like Darla said, it's legal, like it or not. And yes, I also have smoked in line (even though it was before the no smoking in line rules went into effect).
Now, if you've never smoked, let me try and explain the addiction. Think of someone you know at work or school that comes up to talk to you, and after 2 minutes you wish they would go away. But they keep talking and talking and won't leave. You know how flustered you get - your skin starts to cringe, your brain goes into vapor lock, etc. You start looking right through them. An addiction is much the same - you start to get irritable, cranky, etc. Hope that helps explain it.
And, as a side note for all of the ban smoking entirely crowd (YZ10 and others), please remember your history. Prohibition of alcohol didn't work, the war on drugs has turned to a discussion on legalization. What makes you think cigarettes will be any different?
(Did I mention I quit seven months ago this Friday?) :) :)
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I've seen the future and you know what the future is? The future is a 50 year-old virgin wearing a kimono, drinking a banana-broccoli shake singing "I'm an Oscar-Meyer weiner." - from Demolition Man
Okay - we've all come to the conclusion that smoking in line is discouraged upon and not allowed at CP. Personally, I would never do it - I think it's inconsiderate of other people and that's fine. I can wait.
However, that being said, if you were to ask me to put it out along the midway or in a "non-queue" area, I would tell you to get lost. You're outside for crying out loud!!! If you don't like it, don't walk next to me. If you don't like that, take it up with CP 'cause it's not getting put out. Like Darla said, it's legal, like it or not. And yes, I also have smoked in line (even though it was before the no smoking in line rules went into effect).
Now, if you've never smoked, let me try and explain the addiction. Think of someone you know at work or school that comes up to talk to you, and after 2 minutes you wish they would go away. But they keep talking and talking and won't leave. You know how flustered you get - your skin starts to cringe, your brain goes into vapor lock, etc. You start looking right through them. An addiction is much the same - you start to get irritable, cranky, etc. Hope that helps explain it.
And, as a side note for all of the ban smoking entirely crowd (YZ10 and others), please remember your history. Prohibition of alcohol didn't work, the war on drugs has turned to a discussion on legalization. What makes you think cigarettes will be any different?
(Did I mention I quit seven months ago this Friday?) :) :)
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I've seen the future and you know what the future is? The future is a 50 year-old virgin wearing a kimono, drinking a banana-broccoli shake singing "I'm an Oscar-Meyer weiner." - from Demolition Man
You know, smokers and non-smokers will argue on and on. I don't like the smell of smoke, especially in a confined area, but when you are outside of the lines, it doesn't bother me. I may ask someone to put a cigarette out while they are in line, but other than that, it's fine with me.
It wouldn't surprise me if this topic gets closed, because it will go on forever back and forth between smokers and nonsmokers
Just my $.02
JRY
It wouldn't surprise me if this topic gets closed, because it will go on forever back and forth between smokers and nonsmokers
Just my $.02
JRY
I agree Jeff Y. Sorry for dragging this topic (as it were) off track.
I will say this, though. YZ10 - proofread and don't yell. Thank you.
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I've seen the future and you know what the future is? The future is a 50 year-old virgin wearing a kimono, drinking a banana-broccoli shake singing "I'm an Oscar-Meyer weiner." - from Demolition Man
I will say this, though. YZ10 - proofread and don't yell. Thank you.
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I've seen the future and you know what the future is? The future is a 50 year-old virgin wearing a kimono, drinking a banana-broccoli shake singing "I'm an Oscar-Meyer weiner." - from Demolition Man
To add some feedback about the comments on alcohol in line: I believe that alcohol is only allowed in certain areas of the park (ie. Red Garter Saloon, etc.) So no one should have alcohol in the queue lines. (But, unfortunately, drunk is drunk, whether you have a beer in your hand or not.)
As far as the smoking thing: I put up with smokers in line for the most part. The only time I remember it bothering me was in the Raptor queue on a particularly windless day. It got surprisingly strong smelling. and I did get a little sick to my stomach.
But working in an amusement park changed my outlook on smokers forever. Working on rides, one was sent out fairly often to sweep in between breaks when there were extra people on site. It was amazing to me how much of the trash we would collect was cigarette butts. You would think with all the food coming in paper wrappers, it would add up, but not nearly as much as the butts. It got to the point that when I saw a guest stamp out their butt, then throw it in the trash, that I would walk over and thank them.
For whatever it's worth.
As far as the smoking thing: I put up with smokers in line for the most part. The only time I remember it bothering me was in the Raptor queue on a particularly windless day. It got surprisingly strong smelling. and I did get a little sick to my stomach.
But working in an amusement park changed my outlook on smokers forever. Working on rides, one was sent out fairly often to sweep in between breaks when there were extra people on site. It was amazing to me how much of the trash we would collect was cigarette butts. You would think with all the food coming in paper wrappers, it would add up, but not nearly as much as the butts. It got to the point that when I saw a guest stamp out their butt, then throw it in the trash, that I would walk over and thank them.
For whatever it's worth.
Closed topic.