I don't even wanna get into that ridiculous political debate that is going on above me, however I will say that it looks like some of the users on here are a great example as to why "Merry Christmas" isn't an acceptable form of salutation in mass media anymore ;)
Exactly which channel would that be, anyway? Enquiring minds want to know.
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^ Is that comment to me? If so, by channel, do you mean cable/satellite channels? Answer: All of them. By the way, mass media covers more than just television ;) But like I said, I'm not getting into a debate similar to the one occurring on page 3 of this topic.
So it's more than just television? Wow, thanks for the epiphany.
Again, why don't you give us a few specific examples of mass media (newspapers, magazines, newsblogs, twitter media, terrestrial radio, satellite radio, broadcast television, cable television) that explicitly have a policy of not saying "Merry Christmas"? Step up.
My author website: mgrantroberts.com.
I'm always amused by the "war on Christmas" claims. Perhaps the rise of the term "happy holidays" coincides with the realization that roughly 1 out of 4 Americans celebrate something other than Christmas, or nothing at all. If you're a retailer looking to grab as much money as you can, why should you alienate 25% of your possible customers? That being said, the notion that people are offended in either case is silly to me.
As for the license plate thing, I agree with Brandon. Anything involving the government should be a religion-neutral zone. While the license plates aren't that big of a deal, how would a Christian feel about slapping something that says "Praise Allah" or "In Flying Spaghetti Monster we trust" on their vehicle because the government mandated it?
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I'd so vote for that plate.
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Ensign Smith said:
So it's more than just television? Wow, thanks for the epiphany.Again, why don't you give us a few specific examples of mass media (newspapers, magazines, newsblogs, twitter media, terrestrial radio, satellite radio, broadcast television, cable television) that explicitly have a policy of not saying "Merry Christmas"? Step up.
Instigator/likes to twist words much? GROW up.
I don't remember saying that they had an "explicit policy" of not saying Merry Christmas. Where you got that from my statement, I do not know. Leading into the following, I don't understand what more examples you want me to give other than the ones you had already listed in the quote above LOL. I believe you answered your own question on that one so I don't know where you were going with that ;) I also do not recall stating whether I'm all for mass media greeting the public with Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanzaa, Ramadan Mubarak, whatever. I just simply stated that with the political debate on page 3 involving politics and Religion, some of them are a good reason why Merry CHRISTmas isn't said or shown in media. Now for the third time, it's not worth getting into a debate over...Actually, there is nothing to debate at all, so let's drop it.
You know what's funny? Jesus wasn't even born on December 25 (most believe he was born in the spring).
Pope Julius I basically took over the Pagan winter celebration (and the many other winter solstice celebrations that pre-date Christ by hundreds of years) because he didn't like it.
Then, of course, there's the fact that if Jesus did come back to witness how Americans celebrate his birthday, he'd be incredibly upset, as modern "CHRISTmas" goes against virtually everything he preached.
Brandon
That's not entirely true. While the "getting" mentality has replaced the "giving" all too much, there are wonderful programs like the christmas shoebox ministry that sends shoeboxes to less fortunate kids in Africa. With stuff like toothbrushes and coloring books, and little toys. We have to make our own choices to go out and give and not just blow our full $1,000 christmas budget on junior so he can brag to friends..
Exactly, it's why I can't stand Christmas......even with the thoughtful organizations who are generous and donate (minus a few). Though my neutral moral view would then ask: "Why do most of these organizations focus their generosity only at Christmas? Why not all year round?" I realize there are some that donate year round (or at least more frequently than just in Dec) but it just erks me when xmas is defended as a time to be generous to less fortunate people/countries. No hate though, no hate. :)
-Adam G- The OG Dragster nut
Couldn't agree more we should all give more, but I'm not going to start calling out places that "only give during christmas time", that seems ungrateful.
It's not that it's ungrateful (since the actions aren't malicious). It's just something that doesn't feel right when the actions are oriented around something that has a very deluded history and, in reality, a solely local meaning and presence.
For instance, who's to say that kid in Africa, who probably has no idea what xmas is, isn't asking himself "Why do these only come once a year?". Again, I realize the intent is righteous and I'm not bashing them or anyone else for giving. But if you're going to donate something to a less fortunate person in a 3rd world country, doing it once a year and being proud of it just seems a bit narcissistic in my opinion. Generosity should be frequent and spontaneous, not a once in a while bout of goodwill.
But hey, that's just my opinion. The world is imperfect after all.
-Adam G- The OG Dragster nut
Amazing. So in the first half of the debate we learned things like...
- 75% of voting Ohioans shouldn't determine what goes on the plates they pay for.
- Even though the country wasn't founded with the idea of removing God from society and Government... well, we should anyways.
Now we're learning things like...
TTD 120mph said:
...oriented around something that has a very deluded history and, in reality, a solely local meaning and presence.
- 2.2 billion Christians worldwide (33% of the total population) means Christmas is "solely local" to the United States.
TTD 120mph said:
For instance, who's to say that kid in Africa, who probably has no idea what xmas is, isn't asking himself "Why do these only come once a year?".
- People should give more during Christmas, and not just focus on what they get... but even those who give should be criticized because it's possible they aren't giving year round.
TTD 120mph said:
Exactly, it's why I can't stand Christmas......even with the thoughtful organizations who are generous and donate (minus a few). Though my neutral moral view would then ask: "Why do most of these organizations focus their generosity only at Christmas? Why not all year round?" I realize there are some that donate year round (or at least more frequently than just in Dec) but it just erks me when xmas is defended as a time to be generous to less fortunate people/countries. No hate though, no hate. :)
Wow - you can't stand Christmas because of ungrateful people? I assume you hate the other 364 days of the year since people are certainly ungrateful on those days as well.
What is wrong with organizations that focus on Christmas? In general people tend to be more generous at that time - why wouldn't that be a perfect time to ask for money to give to less fortunate? I am going to touch a nerve here but Give Kids the Worl is a charity that is much loved by folks on this site and CBuzz. Funny how there is not much traffic about donating to it except when it comes time to the big fundraiser during coaster season. Why is that the focal point of the year - don't the dids need money all year? Why on earth would a coaster site ask for money for that charity during coaster riding season - that is just non-sense (sarcasm).
Wow, I think I struck a nerve. :)
And since those are my personal views I'm not going to rewrite them. But since you 2 seem to not catch all that I'm saying, I'll summarize it.
-I don't like Christmas as a whole because of the ungrateful attitude of certain people (sorry but get over it, it's how I feel).
- Christmas has a pagan history behind it so it, in my eyes, has a deluded history. And the "local meaning and presence" was a reference to how people in America act during the holiday as apposed to other countries.
-I actually have no problem with charity or people/organizations who donate during December.
Thusly, Shades, your example of GKTW was not well thought out since they're an organization that hosts/participates in various events year round with the aim of donations that are spread out so ANY kid that comes to them is not turn down. So then I have no problem with them or Coasting for Kids (which I've participated in before). Though, I never said anything about having problems with charities in the first place.
I may have a cryptic view on Christmas but hey, that's me. Don't let it get to you or reflect on what/how you see or celebrate Christmas. Let's all be friends. :)
-Adam G- The OG Dragster nut
I never really paid attention to this thread because it's just for a license plate, but wow, I popped in to see what is going on...How the hell did this go from License plates, to Christianity, to to religious debates...Back to coasters please, I wish not to have to bring up religious debates here, especially with Christianity. We have already had the problem of adult family bearing males arguing over the LGBT presence in employment at CP this year and that was enough...
^I've kind of been lingering around this thread just to watch them all argue... :)
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