While I was doing some research on Dorney Park for my upcoming visit, I realized that they have several rides that have the same names of rides at Cedar Point. Now, I fully realize that DP and CP are both owned by Cedar Fair, but I don't like that they are naming rides the same. It makes the parks less "unique" in my mind. It almost appears that they are turning into Six Flags. But, the interesting thing to me is that they aren't even the same rides. I can see chaos rides all being named the same thing. And, I can even see Batman and Superman clones all being called the same thing all over the country because they are the same rides.
But, Thunder Canyon and White Water Landing?? Even Wildwater Kingdom bothers me. I guess they can't really do anything about Camp Snoopy since that is their character land, but it still annoys me that they can't come up with new names. Its not like they named Steel Force Magnum. So, why the other rides? Pretty soon they're just going to be clones like Six Flags parks.
I disagree. I think that sometimes things are almost a given that you think of one good name for it and thus add it to every other version.. but it's not like the BIG NAMES are identical.
Not every invert has a "Batman" name or theme to it. Not only do they have different names, but they have (more often that not) completely different layouts. CF is consistently building new rides with new designs and ideas at their parks and the names of a few things being similar, I feel, does not take away from the overall effect of it.
That was as simple as I could keep my opinion, but overall, it's just another "I disagree and I'll leave it at that." ;)
I disagree also. I don't mind the little rides like this being called the same thing. It is very difficult to think of a good name and sooner or later you will run out of options. I would rather them give it a name that has already come up, rather than some dumb name that has never been used before. The rides themselves are differant, and to me that's all that matters. As long as the big coasters like Millenium Force and that don't have the same names, it really isn't a problem.
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I think it helps if you're talking to someone whos homepark is x, and they're not an enthusiast, if you can name ride names from y and they immediatly understand.
WOW - i'm amazed that you guys think that way. names are really important i think. not only for marketing, but its also a big part of a ride's identity. i don't buy the fact that they will "run out of names". that's just a lame excuse. have you guys ever looked at paint colors in a store? there are literally millions of different color names out there.
i'm also surprised that you guys are ok with DIFFERENT rides having the same names. no longer can you say, "wow, i got SOAKED on white water landing." you now have to qualify your comment to a specific park. is it going to get to a point where multiple rides at the same park have the same names?
i guess i would argue that in today's global environment, the name of a ride is even that more important than it was way back in the day.
Cedar Point did have two Dodgems at once, I believe....so that time has already come and gone.
The fact is, the average John Q. Public doesn't know and doesn't care that rides have the same name. Even at Six Flags, I would guess that not many people visit numerous parks to realize that there are about 300 (or so it seems) Batmans. My guess is that the GP would say "Oh there's a ride at (insert home park here) that goes by this name, and it's a good one, so let's ride this one too!"
Cedar Fair has been doing this for years. How many different Soak City waterparks are there? Almost every park (or maybe it is every park) in the Cedar Fair chain has Halloweekends or Halloween Haunt. There aren't different names for each different park. Every park has its own things that make it different from every other park, so why can't some of the names be the same?
One last interesting item of note...there are Wild Mouses (mice??) coasters all over the world at different park chains, and yet many of them are called "Wild Mouse." Lots of different Wildcats at many parks....should there only be one of each of these?
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Small scale ride name "copying" is ok in my book. It makes it easier on the the company and GP, as long as the GP realizes its within the same chain. As for the main staple in a park (the coasters) they shouldn't really share a name. With all the Batmans and Supermans it gets a bit boring. and has anyone else realized that for as "bad" as Six Flags is... they are always talked about?
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Here is a little analogy I came up with...
Parks are like fast food chains to the general public. Although Taco Bell (Cedar Fair) offers tacos and mexican cuisine, Wendy's (Six Flags) offers baked potatos and Chili. No matter where you go, you are going to see the same product, with the same name and the same advertisment, but the way they make it may be a little different. Six flags does a really good job with this because when I go to Busch Gardens Tampa (my home park by the way) I here people say, "Wow! The Batman roller coaster was really great!" when they are really refering to Montu. People tend to say, "Lets go to Six Flags!", when they really mean Knotts Berry Farm or Michigans Adventure.
So to conclude, Naming rides the same can really help a park chain in the long run by making a ride like Batman a household name because they see it where ever they go.
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Who cares. Most people don't even know that Cedar Fair exists, let alone that they own other parks.
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Jeff is right. Sometimes I forget that I know so much more than my friends about Cedar Point and Cedar Fair for that matter. All of us on here know a lot more about Cedar Point and Cedar Fair than anyone else. We may not realize it, but it's true. Some of the things that we classify as common knowledge (such as Cedar Fair owning Cedar Point) isn't known by the GP.
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In addition to anything said earlier, I think that it's also important to look at the fact that it's not only the re-naming of smaller rides, but that they are all within the same chain. It's not like they're calling something "X" or "Goliath."
They are not cross-breeding names from Six Flags, so I don't think there is anything to worry about.
do you really think the GP isn't smart enough to figure out that they are owned by the same company? i think they're smart enough to figure that out if they show up to dorney and the trash cans, park map, and ride names are extremely similar, if not identical. it might be because i'm an architect, but its painfully obvious that the parks are under the same management.
i will give them credit for not cloning rides like SF does though. i never did understand that concept. sure, its cheaper to buy four of the same ride. but, you are in essence creating the same park all over the country. there's no incentive to seek out the company's other parks if they all have the same rides. i guess the ride naming was leading me to believe they would start cloning as well. that's all i'm worried about for CF.
Six Flags doesn't care if you visit the other parks, as long as you keep going to the one closest to you. The money all goes to the same place.
Looking at the list of Coasters from Dorney, only TWO are even remotely close in name to a coaster at Cedar Point (Steel Force, Dragon Coaster), and DC is a kiddie coaster that in no way, shape or form resembles Iron Dragon.
Flat rides, especially the older (and smaller) ones, share names, because thats what they were sold as. Do you want them to name every monster ride a different name within the chain?
Also, I don't think the GP is smart enough to figure it out. I didn't even know that MA was owned by CF until I started visiting GTTP/VM 2-3 years ago.
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Most of the GP does not know that Cedar Fair even exists. Whenever I mention Cedar Fair the person(s) always say "You mean Cedar Point, right?" I really could care less about rides having the same name as long as it doesn't get to the point where we have three or four Steel Forces that are Morgan hyper coasters. There is a point where your imagination will hit a wall you know.
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Halltd, you're thinking of CP and CF on to much of a personal note. Ride names and CF owning a chain of parks is worthless information in the real world. It's called OCD, (highly valueable to you, but worthless to others).
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The same names don't bother me as long as the roller coasters don't resemble each other. Then it bothers me.
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I know that it seems like I'm taking it personally. And, in some ways I am. Lots of us here have strong memories of CP from our childhoods and it holds a big part of our hearts. I know I'm not alone there. But, why was it so special to us? I would argue because it was unique. Special, if you will.
But, I guess its just a larger "theme" that appears to be occurring all over the US. I just brought up this part because it applied to CP and this forum. To me though, when "unique" places like CP, Disney and even NYC start opening the same things that exist all over the rest of the country, it makes them that much less special. It monotonizes the country instead of having unique places that encourage people to travel and explore new and exciting things. But, I guess that's "the American way". It amazed me when people come to visit me here in NYC and want to eat dinner at Friday's or Applebees. Hello, you're in NEW YORK, experience something new. I still strongly believe that the more rides that are "cloned" or named the same will lead to the overall demise of the park. Remember, people travel from all over the world to visit CP. How many people do that for a Six Flags?
Ok, sorry for the rant. From my architecture background though, things like this annoy me. If I was the designer of a specific ride, I'd want it to have its own unique name, regardless of how "important" that ride is. [/end rant] :)
halltd said:
If I was the designer of a specific ride, I'd want it to have its own unique name, regardless of how "important" that ride is. [/end rant] :)
So....let me get this straight. You've designed a new ride that Cedar Point is going to purchase. Let's say it's not a very "important" one. Just another flat ride, for instance. Are you saying that if Cedar Fair said "Hey, we want to put one of these in all our parks and call it by the same name, and we're going to pay you $5 million for each one," you'd say "Oh sorry, this a unique ride and there's only going to be one of them?" Are you serious? Good business sense says that you must install what the public likes. Pizza Hut is a great pizza franchise, and the majority of them have that signature red hut roof because people recognize it and like it.
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