PKI going smoke free

I think that cp should go smoke free. Kings Island is going in the right direction with this new smoking ban.

I think that it is very inconsiderate of someone to smoke in a " family enviorment(sp)". There are familys with children all over the park, and if it annoys someone to go to a smoking area then OH WELL.

I have been burnt by a smoker walking down the midway, a brand new red wings jersey gone to crap when he brushed me with his cancer stick and burnt a hole right thrue it.

Years ago I used to smoke, but never at an amusement park or where there were familys. And if I just had to light one up, then I would be considerate enough to have went to my car or go to a designated smoking area. No big deal to do....right?

As far as people smoking in lines, it really pisses me off. Why cant they wait till they get off the ride, or smoke before they get in line? The last thing I want to inhale is second hand smoke while waiting in line.

And doint give me the " OPEN AIR" lie. Any time I am near someone that is smoking , I can smell it.....indoors or out. And remember, when my jersey got burnt....I was outside in the "open air".

Sorry if I am ranting. But this is a subject that really gets me.

Disneyland is for the most part smoke-free, but does have several "smoking areas" throughout the park. I always remember seeing one across from the Matterhorn queue next to Autopia. A group of people huddled together puffing their brains out. When visiting Cleveland recently, I noticed several bars and restaurants were completely "smoke-free." That's very cool to see... CP really needs to eliminate smoking except in small designated areas, it wouldn't be too unusual.

I would much prefer it if parks went gum free. Yes, chewing gum should be banned in parks. People just spit it on the ground where it then ends up stuck to my shoe, and who knows whats in your mouth, but now I have to clean my shoe. And go up MS's queue. There is gum just stuck to the wood all along there, its absolutely disgusting. Not to mention if you have to wait in line by someone who can't chew gum with their mouth closed. It gets so annoying listening to the chomp chomp of someone with a big wad of gum in their mouth.

tambo said:

I don't feel sorry for you. Like you said, you chose to go to a restaurant where you knew there would be people smoking and now you say your rights were violated?

If you had gone to a smoke-free restuarant and that had happened, yes, I would agree with you.

So rather than eating at an establishment I enjoy you're saying I should be forced to seek out a smoke free restaurant whose food I probably wouldn't enjoy as much? Still sounds like the smokers are affecting my rights in that situation.

As for the smoking on the midways thing, here's another example someone being inconvienienced that I haven't heard mentioned yet. I had several good friends who were ride ops last summer, and at one time or another I heard all of them complain about the smoke while working at entrance. The smokers who do put their cigarettes out when they enter the line would usually take their last puff, put the butt in the ashtray, and exhale that last puff of smoke right into the employee's face. That sounds like it's pretty darn unfair to the workers who have to sit there.

Ralph Wiggum said:

So rather than eating at an establishment I enjoy you're saying I should be forced to seek out a smoke free restaurant whose food I probably wouldn't enjoy as much? Still sounds like the smokers are affecting my rights in that situation.

But you still have a choice, you can CHOOSE to go somewhere else. If smoking was banned at all restaurants, what choice would smokers have? They would HAVE to go to a restaurant that bans smoking, they wouldn't have the choice of going to one that allows them to smoke. Why should my rights be affected because YOU choose not to smoke? (Its the inverse of why your rights should be affected because I choose to smoke)

If CP were to ban smoking, I could CHOOSE to go elsewhere, CP would lose my money but maybe they'd be better off for it. Or, they could continue to let people smoke and YOU could CHOOSE not to go, thus denying them your money. Either way its a CHOICE for everyone.

last summer i saw three guys on a bench near dragster smoking pot, passing a big fat joint back and forth, laughing out loud about it, i was completely stunned. i kept walking on my way towards magnum, planning on alerting the first employee or cop i saw but somehow managed to make it all the way without seeing anyone to tell. by that point i figured it had been to long to bother with. hopefully a smoking ban would cover this too :)

tambo said:

Did you ever get caught in a cloud of smoke from a fire-grilled food stand when the wind is just right? I'm sure that smoke can't be much better for your health.

But it smells a heck of a lot better.

Also, smoking pot was kind of a commonplace on Sky Ride last summer. At least once a day if not more.

JuggaLotus said:
I would much prefer it if parks went gum free. Yes, chewing gum should be banned in parks. People just spit it on the ground where it then ends up stuck to my shoe, and who knows whats in your mouth, but now I have to clean my shoe. And go up MS's queue. There is gum just stuck to the wood all along there, its absolutely disgusting. Not to mention if you have to wait in line by someone who can't chew gum with their mouth closed. It gets so annoying listening to the chomp chomp of someone with a big wad of gum in their mouth.

I could just see the CP police.

Chewing gum are we? That's a detention in my room tonight! We're going to teach you a lesson about gum chewing on my midways! And while we at up pull up your pants and tuck your shirt in!"

In case you can't tell I've been caught with gum one too many times this year. ;)

Why should he have to choose?

Is it so bad that you cant finish your cancer stick before you eat at a restaurant? Who wants to go out and enjoy a meal and only have it ruined by some inconsiderate smoker.

Even if the restaurant has a non smoking section, the smoke still travels. A lot of restaurants place the smoking area directly next to the non smoking area.

Smoking is not only a right, but its a disese that has coused many health problems and has coused health costs to rise.

Also, next time your in your car and stopped at any traffic light, look out your window at the curb.......what do you see?

Maybe I should've mentioned it, but it's not just Kings Island that's going smoke-free, but all Paramount's parks are initiating the same policy. That includes Carowinds, Kings Dominion, Great America and Canada's Wonderland. I'm not sure about Bonfante Gardens which Paramount manages.

I'm pretty sure that Bonfante Gardens is included.

I don't know what the hell you're talking about. CP is by far the worst.

I was being sarcastic, but I guess it's hard to tell in writing.

-S. Eagle

Sorry about that. ;)

"Smoking ... has coused health costs to rise."

Poppycock, smokers more than pay for their way in the economy. They pay higher health benefits and insurance costs. They pay sin tax on sin tax to pay for all kinds of government projects and programs. And they tend to die off faster thus causing less of a drain on social security and the health system.

Ralph, your civil liberties aren't being taken from you because a restaurant is allowing smoking. There are plenty of places to get a food meal with or without smoking. Your line of reasoning also states that any place that doesn't allow smoking is obstructing my liberty to choose to smoke. Again it goes back to people choosing to accept a policy or rejecting a policy. If you don't like a situation tell the proprietor and then vote with your feet.

Civil liberties?

Me not smoking in a restaurant does not effect annyone.

You smoking does.

And yes, health costs have risin. There are astma, and other breathing problems due to second hand smoke to non smokers. Non smokers pay an average $55 billion a year more in health costs due to smokers.........dont believe me?...here

http://www.mit.edu/people/jeffrey/House_Testimony_Nov_1993.html

Its right there.

There is no positive that comes from smoking.
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Except for the calming affect that nicotine gives the system. I'd call that a pretty positive effect.

I'm tired of smokers being the scape goat for society's problems. Last year, here in Michigan, the cigarrette tax was raised a hefty sum (I don't remember the amount off hand) to offset a record deficit (Thanks JENNY). It was billed as a public health initiative. The problem is, if people did actually quit because of the tax, the state wouldn't have gotten enough money from the increase. The tax did not cover cigars either (the preferred method of nicotine injecstion of the rich) but it did cover cigarrettes and chew (the preferred method of the poor and minorities). So, the basic plan was to tax the poor indirectly to cover a state deficit. We didn't want them to quit because that would minimize revenue. And they say Democrats are for the people.

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Sorry about that, but I'm just tired of smokers getting blamed for everything, and its gotten to the point where they just roll over at anything because they can't fight anymore.

As far as second hand smoke. Getting a whiff of it every so often when you go to a park, restaurant or somewhere else, is not going to affect the average American. It won't increase their health risks or insurance costs. Second hand smoke causes the most problems for people who are repeatedly exposed to it in excessive quantities and especially at an early age.

Smokers being scape goats? LOL

Hell yea, I would call $55 billion a year a big deal. Also, I know a lot of wealthy people that smoke, its not just a poor or minority thing.

I dont know about you, but if I were to breath in these chemicals http://www.smoke-free.ca/Health/Healtheffectssmoke.htm

I would be worried, so dont tell me that second hand smoke is harmless.....even the ocassinal wiff. Thats a big lie.

I dont know about you, but if I were with my kids at an amusement park or restaurant I would not want them or me breathing inn any of these poisons.

THe thing is that in the context of an amusement park the whiff you get isn't any worse than driving near a steel plant. Yes there are all kinds of bad and nasty things in cigarettes, but you aren't going to be ill affected by people smoking at an amusement park... well ill affected in a long term physical arguement.

As stated before second hand smoke is something that effects people who live with smokers or people who work in smoking environments. Hence the ban on smoking in just about all working environments. It's amazing how things have changed in the past twenty years. Just that short time ago people would smoke jsut about anywhere. I would imagine that at one time someone complaining about smokers would be laughed out of town. I'm not saying that that change is the worst thing in the world, but i am tired of hearing people complain about people smoking outdoors.

And i don't smoke.

Its called progress.

Driving past a steel plant?...lol. Thats a weak comparison. I may drive past a steel plant maybe once a year.......I am always surrounded by smokers.

Are you saying that it is o-k to breath in these poisons? Go ahead and click on the link in my previus post. Now tell me that second hand smoke does not effect anyone....even the occasinal wiff.

It sickens me to inhale these fumes. If smokers want to indanger there health....fine. But to bring that around others who care about there health is not only rude, but it is wrong. If they wish to poison there lungs, let them do it in a designated area with other people who dont care about there health.

So it's a list of chemicals. There is no data supporting any of the claims made at second hand smoking contact (except the Calif. study that i saw referanced). And if you go to the tree hugger sites they are constantly talking about how living and being around heavy industry is no better or worse than living with a smoker. Are they lieing? They probably don't think so. I really don't care because smoking and heavy industry will both kill you if you're around it enough.

The point is that these sites have an agenda and they will spin the content to their set goals. I'm not discounting the negative health effects of second hand smoke, but there are many different causes of heart deasise and lung cancer and all these things attributed to cigarettes. Many of these chemicals and nasty stuff found in smoke can be found all over in many different forms. To get a microscopic intake at a park would cause little to no harm.