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Ever notice the load of bums Magnum is carrying in that pic on the opening page of the CP official site? Not a single one of them has their hands up!
I'm sure that was by design..Remember, CP doesn't like the "hand up" practice because it doesn't jive with there on ride policies!! They technically don't like that and will NOT promote it..especially with any pic on their website (hence the magnum pic)..I was told this by a ride maintenance worker there a couple yrs back..They hate the hands up says he!! CP says its not a safe practice....
If you look around the official site every pic that shows rides in motion DO NOT show any hands up!! Just an observation I just saw...
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If you look around the official site every pic that shows rides in motion DO NOT show any hands up!! Just an observation I just saw...
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Jeffrey Spartan
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Because CP is BIG on SAFETY 1st and thats not in their definition of that I was told...Bet you can't find a pic on the official site of people with their hands up (coasters)..If you notice, most pics are from a distance where you can't tell..Go into the "rides" section there and check it out!!
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I went through and looked. In a Gemini pic there was a guy with his arms up and I saw an arm in a Blue Streak pic.
I think I also saw a kid standing up in the Jr Gemini pic too! j/k hehe
I think I also saw a kid standing up in the Jr Gemini pic too! j/k hehe
I'll give you the gemini guy with his hands, but no little kid on Jr, and the hand you see on blue streak Is questionable (so far to the right)..see what I mean though nothing in any abundance of people with hands up pics on anything really!! If they wanted to show hands up they would have..I mean virtually the majority of all coaster rides have a godd share of the people with hands up in most pics I have seen..like that of my own that I'm now looking at!! :)
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Jeffrey Spartan
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Jeffrey Spartan
I was just kidding about the kid on Jr. :)
I see what you're saying though. Personally, I'm not big into the hands-up thing. I'll do it every once in a while, but most of the time I don't. I'm a little different than most enthusiasts. I guess that's why I'm the only custom truck builder I know that's a coaster nut. ;)
I see what you're saying though. Personally, I'm not big into the hands-up thing. I'll do it every once in a while, but most of the time I don't. I'm a little different than most enthusiasts. I guess that's why I'm the only custom truck builder I know that's a coaster nut. ;)
well even though cp doesn't like it..I LOVE IT!! LOL...:)
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I don't think this is just a CP thing. I don't think you'll find too many advertisements for theme/amusement parks with the riders having their hands in the air. I seem to remember hearing something about this on MSNBC's Time and Again special about coasters. They were talking about an old advertisement for Colossus at SFMM in which riders had their hands up and saying that this would never be allowed today. Probably just the lawyers, but I am not really sure...
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It's no accident that no one ever has their hands up. Lawyers would freak out and blast the marketing department for anything that had hands up.
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Jeff
Webmaster/Guide to The Point
"And he says 'I'm goin' crazy up there at the lake...'"
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Jeff
Webmaster/Guide to The Point
"And he says 'I'm goin' crazy up there at the lake...'"
It also has to do with who is riding the ride while the picture is taken. They were probobly instructed not to put there hands up.
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Hence the hand-chopper on Gemini? I have never kept my hands up on that ride. I always back out at the last second.
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Steel Phantom 91-00
Why Kennywood? Why?
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Steel Phantom 91-00
Why Kennywood? Why?
chicken..LOL..just kiddin..:)
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Jeffrey Spartan
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I always drop my hands at "the chopper" on Gemini too!!!!! but guess what, they're up for the rest of the ride!!!!!!
For some types of coasters, does hanging on with your hands really make the ride more safe? I am thinking of newer coasters, like a BM floorless or even MF. Your body is pressed securely between the safety bar and the seat. I don’t think holding on to the safety bar makes it any safer.
Depends on the coaster. Cedar Point's arsonal of rides keep you firmly planted with belts and bars, making it safe to hold your hands up, even if the lawyers don't want to admit it. In their eyes, even parks with an exceptional maintenance history have a chance at a restraint malfunction.
Other parks have less to lock you down. For example, a nearby park has no seatbelts on it's classic out and back woodie, only a lapbar. I swear that I have almost been literaly thrown from the train on the DIPS of this BIG classic (and loved every moment of it). That's where holding on would be safer.
Now on to the technical reasoning: The restraints are there to hold you in during airtime elements and mechanical failures. The laws of physics will push you down the rest of the time.
I think. I could be wrong...
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Now that is Restaurant-Quality Lemonade!
Other parks have less to lock you down. For example, a nearby park has no seatbelts on it's classic out and back woodie, only a lapbar. I swear that I have almost been literaly thrown from the train on the DIPS of this BIG classic (and loved every moment of it). That's where holding on would be safer.
Now on to the technical reasoning: The restraints are there to hold you in during airtime elements and mechanical failures. The laws of physics will push you down the rest of the time.
I think. I could be wrong...
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Now that is Restaurant-Quality Lemonade!
I can't think of any coaster where you *must* hold on. Well, except for Mean Streak, but that has more to do with self-preservation than with ride dynamics.
The problem is that lawyers cannot properly discern the difference between "hands up" and "hands OUT". "Keep hands inside the car at all times" means exactly that, and from a legal standpoint, that invisible bubble over the train that most people use to define "inside" simply does not exist. If the hands are above the seating compartment then clearly they are not inside the car. "If they are not inside the car in the advertisement," the argument goes, "then how can you blame my client for sticking his hand out and getting it mangled by the ride structure?" Unfortunately the "up out" argument doesn't hold up in court.
It's a real shame, too.
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
The problem is that lawyers cannot properly discern the difference between "hands up" and "hands OUT". "Keep hands inside the car at all times" means exactly that, and from a legal standpoint, that invisible bubble over the train that most people use to define "inside" simply does not exist. If the hands are above the seating compartment then clearly they are not inside the car. "If they are not inside the car in the advertisement," the argument goes, "then how can you blame my client for sticking his hand out and getting it mangled by the ride structure?" Unfortunately the "up out" argument doesn't hold up in court.
It's a real shame, too.
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
Doesn't there have to be a certain height above the car though?
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Steel Phantom 91-00
First Snoopy and now the Steel Phantom. What is wrong with the world today?
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Steel Phantom 91-00
First Snoopy and now the Steel Phantom. What is wrong with the world today?
Nine feet, I thought.
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Thank you for riding Raptor and enjoy your day here at Cedar Point, America's RollerCoast!
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Thank you for riding Raptor and enjoy your day here at Cedar Point, America's RollerCoast!
I can verify this myself. If in fact you decide to hold your hands up on Disneyland's Matterhorn, they will in fact hit the ceiling. I've done it, and it hurt! And I don't mean regular ceilings, these were rocky hard ceilings that scrapped my hands up. I'm also convinced that if your arms are slightly angled to the side before the last helix on Gemini, they might just get hit by a post.
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